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Is Our Second Civil War -- also a 'Forever War'?
Townhall.com ^ | December 11, 2020 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 12/11/2020 6:20:19 AM PST by Kaslin

When the Electoral College meets Monday, it will almost surely certify former Vice President Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States. And he will take the oath of office Jan. 20.

There is, nationally, a growing if grudging realization of that reality.

Yet millions of Americans will refuse to accept the legitimacy of that election and its outcome and will continue to believe, with President Donald Trump, that it was "rigged."

"Was the 2020 election stolen by the establishment to get rid of a president, Donald Trump, whom it loathed?" will be debated decades hence -- as are questions such as, "Did FDR have advance knowledge the Japanese were going to attack?" and, "Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone in Dallas?"

That perception that something was afoot first arose in the minds of millions in the hours after the election on Nov. 3, when 83% of Republicans polled by Gallup said they did not believe reports of Trump's defeat.

Things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

And there was justification for that perception. Who was not stunned to learn that as Trump seemed to be pulling ahead in the voting count on Nov. 3, suddenly, around midnight, the vote counting appeared to stop in the crucial swing states, and we were told it would begin again early the next morning? Why the halt?

Again, things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

The Washington Post reports this week that, midway between Election Day and Inauguration Day, only 27 congressional Republicans would acknowledge Biden's win. Some 220 GOP members of the House and Senate -- 88% of Republicans serving in Congress -- would not say who won the election

And Trump continues to fight on, millions behind him, to persuade public officials in such battleground states as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada to withdraw their certifications.

He is said to be working the phones to get Republicans in Congress to reject the designation of Biden as president.

He has joined a suit by 17 states' attorneys general to have the Supreme Court accept Texas' argument that late alterations in the voting processes in four swing states be declared unconstitutional and illegal.

Among the more credible charges is that, due to the pandemic, late changes were made in the voting processes of states, especially with mailed-out and mailed-in ballots. The contention is that votes cast as a consequence of changes done contrary to state laws or constitutions should be thrown out. Most of those votes came from the urban precincts where Biden's margins were massive.

While some 50 lawsuits filed in Trump's cause may have been rejected in courts, the hourly allegations of fraud in the collection and counting of ballots have given credence to a generalized belief that Trump was cheated of votes he received and Biden received votes that were illicitly cast.

Where will this leave us Jan. 20?

American politics will be even more poisoned and polarized than it has been for the last four years. Tens of millions of Americans will see themselves as disfranchised and believe that the greatest champion they have had in decades was illegally driven from power by the same deep state-media conspiracy he fought for four years.

Reinforcing this perception is the sudden revelation this week that Biden's son Hunter is indeed the target of a federal tax investigation.

That is a story the mainstream media not only refused to cover but sought to bury. And it further buttresses a widespread belief that the mainstream media were in the tank for Biden and will use the power they have to fix the outcome of future American elections in favor of the establishment to which they belong.

For scores of millions of Americans, the mainstream media have lost any credibility and moral authority they once had.

The media have spent four years promoting the falsehood that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump conspired to steal the 2016 election, a charge for which the two-year Robert Mueller investigation could not find any substance at all. They championed the cause of impeachment of Trump over a single comment in a phone call to the president of Ukraine.

And all the while, they painted Trump as racist, sexist, homophobic and treasonous, and his followers as torch-carrying deplorables.

The hypocritical calls from the mainstream media today for us all to come together, after the atrocities they perpetrated, boggle the mind.

Amazing. And now that the Democrats appear to have captured the White House, the message is, "Can't we all just get along?"

What lies ahead?

Some see secession. But though secession is unlikely, a secession of the heart has already taken place in America. We are two nations, two peoples seemingly separated indefinitely. Can a nation so divided as ours, racially, ideologically, religiously, still do great things together, as did the America of days gone by, to the amazement of the world?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cwii; election2020; joebiden; trumpadministration
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The Electoral College will lose my respect if it declares Joe Biden President. There is no way that I will accept Biden as my president and neither will I accept Kamala Harris.
1 posted on 12/11/2020 6:20:19 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Not millions of Americans.
Tens of millions.
And the world leaders know what happened here.
They will be contemptuous of us, privately, even while tongue-bathing demented Joe and the Ho.


2 posted on 12/11/2020 6:24:48 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change.)
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To: Kaslin

It should be clear by now to all and especially the Cucks that Democrats have prostituted and bastardized all rules and laws such that are serious and will stop at nothing to Rule us is their Marxist Utopia.

Only an War with actual consequences can alter their path and the future of our Country.

Pick your side and be totally prepared to fight for it. Or simply accept your fate as a subject in a Marxist State.

Those are the only choices.


3 posted on 12/11/2020 6:28:04 AM PST by R0CK3T
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To: Kaslin

It’s a week from Monday. This is December 11th.


4 posted on 12/11/2020 6:29:26 AM PST by DownInFlames (Ga)
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To: Kaslin
Not only did these swing state officials act changing election rules outside the purview of their respective legislatures, there has been rampant voter fraud documented.

Furthermore, using the “scamdemic” to shower mail in ballots unsolicited throughout these swing states was an overt/covert plot to facilitate a cheat. Cheat they did.

There is so much wrong with 2020’s election. There must be a remedy. There is no way in Sam hell Biden won this election. It has also been proven statistically impossible by Doctorate level statisticians/mathematicians.

Democrats are compromised by communist China and a large percentage of their party have moved so far to the left, they're not even in the park.

How is it possible to come together as a nation with such a divide, political corruption, deep state shenanigans, foreign infiltration, two tiered justice system and federal agencies weaponized against the population? I just can't see it.

5 posted on 12/11/2020 6:32:06 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Kaslin

“And he will take the oath of office Jan. 20.”

Buchanan has been surprising in all of this.

The big question is not whether Biden will take the oath of office, but rather or not Trump will knowingly surrender the reins of power over to the nation’s enemies and ratify their blatant coup.

In other words, whether Trump will “abide by the rule of law” that was set up by those who have shredded rule of law.


6 posted on 12/11/2020 6:33:45 AM PST by odawg
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To: Kaslin

We’re headed for civil war if this isn’t addressed.


7 posted on 12/11/2020 6:34:17 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: servantboy777

How is it possible to come together as a nation with such a divide, political corruption, deep state shenanigans, foreign infiltration, two tiered justice system and federal agencies weaponized against the population? I just can’t see it.


Abe thought the same but he was still guided by:

“A nation divided cannot stand..............it will be all one or all the other.”


8 posted on 12/11/2020 6:34:21 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Man, as a Southerner, don’t get me started on ol Abe.


9 posted on 12/11/2020 6:36:08 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Kaslin

“Can a nation so divided as ours, racially, ideologically, religiously, still do great things together, as did the America of days gone by, to the amazement of the world?”

No. No it cannot.


10 posted on 12/11/2020 6:38:28 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve. DJT 11-07-20)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Abe thought the same but he was still guided by: “A nation divided cannot stand..............it will be all one or all the other.”

Abe used the military of the most powerful slave-owning nation on earth to kill as many of his economic and political opponents as he could.

11 posted on 12/11/2020 6:45:00 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: Responsibility2nd

The people that don’t agree either need to be re-educated, moved to camps, or killed. That is the socialist way.


12 posted on 12/11/2020 6:47:43 AM PST by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: Kaslin
Perhaps.

ff

13 posted on 12/11/2020 6:50:45 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Kaslin

“There is no way that I will accept Biden as my president and neither will I accept Kamala Harris.”

Acceptance won’t matter, you’ll still live under whatever they do, and they will do plenty if they get into office (hopefully not).

And yes, it’s a forever war. Commies aren’t going away and are more embedded in our power structure than ever in our history.


14 posted on 12/11/2020 6:54:27 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Ghislaine Maxwell lives and Joe Biden is losing.)
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To: Kaslin

Ratifying fraud will not make Biden legitimate.


15 posted on 12/11/2020 6:54:56 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: odawg

Great point. I hope he doesn’t surrender the reins.


16 posted on 12/11/2020 6:55:37 AM PST by avenir
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To: Responsibility2nd

A question rarely asked:

What happens when the “useful idiots” find that the monster they have created can not be controlled or even influenced by their vote? A corrupt election system will be corrupt for them as well as for us.

Do you think for even one minute that they will give up their violent ways?

No! And that is why they are already marked as the enemy of the state.


17 posted on 12/11/2020 6:56:24 AM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: jeffersondem

Abe used the military of the most powerful slave-owning nation on earth to kill as many of his economic and political opponents as he could.


You just repeat things that you are told are the truth in your little mind. It is not that simple.

It was a shitty situation then with lots of factors bringing the problem to a head. It is a shitty situation now.

The point, whether you see it or not is that he kept this country together as one nation. Think of what it would have been like if he hadn’t.

secession was not the answer then and it is not now.


18 posted on 12/11/2020 6:56:56 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Once Flimsey Grahamnesty and friends give their friends across the aisle a permanent majority with amnesty for illegal aliens, there will be no coming back from that.

This is a bipartisan election hoax to steal our country from us and advance the Bush Plan for North Mexico (aka USA)


19 posted on 12/11/2020 6:57:58 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I fully expect this to be severely tested soon...in the South China Sea.

Do you all see the signs ramping up? Has anyone else seen past the pandemic and election debacle as to what else is actually going on elsewhere in the world? It is all but inevitable now.

Good thing is, we own the Sea and the Air. It’s on the ground where we will have trouble. We’re good as long as we don’t go there.


20 posted on 12/11/2020 6:58:03 AM PST by jpp113
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