Posted on 11/29/2020 12:14:06 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Exclusion could make Dems' thin majority in the House even thinner
The Trump administration will press its bid to exclude illegal aliens from the population baseline for awarding House seats on Monday in the Supreme Court, a move that would shift political clout away from states with large undocumented populations.
President Donald Trump's July order to exclude illegal aliens from the apportionment could be one of his most consequential acts in office. States like California, where approximately 6 percent of the population is undocumented, will lose out on congressional seats and untold millions in federal funds if the administration prevails.
Blue states losing even a handful of seats would make the House's thin Democratic majority even more precarious. Congressional analysts suggest Democrats will lose the House in 2022 on the basis of reapportionment alone, since red states with growing populations are expected to gain seats. But right-leaning states like Florida and Texas could each pick up one seat fewer as a result of the order, according to the Pew Research Center.
The dispute is moving at a fast clip. Census figures are by law due to the White House from Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross on Dec. 31. President Trump must transmit a reapportionment to Congress by Jan. 10, 2021. The Constitution requires the government to conduct a census every 10 years.
A three-judge court in New York blocked Trump's order after a coalition of blue states, cities, and civil-rights groups sued the administration. The court said Trump's directive violates the federal census laws. Another court in California went further and said Trump's order violates the Constitution.
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Better yet, Get Illegal Immigrants Out Of Our Country and Keep Them Out.
How can they refuse?
There is the ‘population’ and there is the ‘apportionment population’.
The difference is the population comprises every resident excluding foreign dignitaries and Visa travelers whereas the apportionment population is the citizenry for apportioning elected officeholders to Congress.
No representation without taxation.
So what's the right thing to do? Do Illegal Immigrants deserve representation despite their status as non-citizens and criminals?
Maybe some sort of 3/5ths rule should be in effect?
“Elephant in the room - how many seats would CA lose? You’d think that might be mentioned.”
CA, TX, and FL would each lose one seat. AL, MN, and OH would each gain one seat.
Count only LEGAL US citizens.
Do Illegal Immigrants deserve representation despite their status as non-citizens and criminals?
Only in their native country...not here. They're here illegally.
Maybe some sort of 3/5ths rule should be in effect?
NO. They are not US citizens. They are here illegally and have broken our laws to get here.
"Article I, Section 8, Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization [emphasis added], and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
”14th Amendment, Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens [emphases added] twenty-one years of age in such State."
Note that voting rights amendments ratified after 14A was ratified probably changed how the voting eligibility criteria of Section 2 should be calculated imo.
Counting a state's illegal immigrants to increase that state's representation in House effectively abridges the voting power of citizens of other states that have fewer illegal immigrants imo.
Desperate Democrats pushing to include illegal aliens to calculate redistricting is comparable to Democrats wanting to stack the Supreme Court imo.
Corrections, insights welcome.
So many articles and posts are out there...skipping Section 2 and pretending it doesn’t exist.
Do Illegal Immigrants deserve representation despite their status as non-citizens and criminals?
Only in their native country...not here. They're here illegally.
Again I agree.
Maybe some sort of 3/5ths rule should be in effect?
NO. They are not US citizens. They are here illegally and have broken our laws to get here.
Again, I agree.
I was attempting to head off some stupid attempt at a compromise, which Congress does frequently. The "3/5ths rule" goes back to a compromise Congress made for counting slaves - less than human. Some might be okay with importing illegals, paying them less and giving them permanent second-class status, but not me. No one should be exploited in this way. Better to send them back.
+1
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