Ask a freeper about social security benefits and if they should be reduced or eliminated.
That should remove any doubt that “conservatives” in America are socialists too.
Ask a freeper about social security benefits and if they should be reduced or eliminated.
That should remove any doubt that “conservatives” in America are socialists too.
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I for one am min favor of a “privatized” SS system in which the citizen OWNS his account and can, within certain parameters determine the investment of his account assets.
If explained properly I believe a majority of Americans would agree to this.
SS is the perfect example of the trap of socialism. Once dependent on the government handout, few are willing to do without. If everything needed to exist is handed out by the government, the individual has willingly become a slave to the state.
Explain that whenever someone trots out SS as a good example of socialism.
That should remove any doubt that “conservatives” in America are socialists too.
Thanks to a divorce 25 years ago, I was wiped out and all I have (I’m now 67) is social security as my retirement plan. Well, that and I moved to an area with a very low cost of living and I paid off all debt - and acquired more land than I need, also debt free, as a possible income generator.
But I have been against SS my whole life. If I’d put that same amount of money just in a bank savings account, divorce notwithstanding, I’d have a LOT more money than SS is giving me.
I’m a huge proponent of increasing the SS retirement age incrementally until virtually nobody receives it because virtually nobody lives that long. Come to think of it, that is how it stared. The average lifespan was lower than the retirement age when SS began.
But yeah, I’m against any Government plan that gives money directly to individuals. Parks, Roads, etc are not like that.
Ask them if Social Security should be in individual accounts, with property rights, instead of an pay as you go system, where the money belongs to the state, and you will get a much different answer.
The rebuttal reply is usually, "well, I paid into social security so I should get it."
I reply, "No, you didn't pay into the system...your money was taken from you. It is not voluntary."
Ask before someone has paid into the system all their working life. If I would have been able to add that tax to my investments, I wouldn’t need(aka want) SS.
I would be willing to see Social Security benefits reduced or eliminated, even though I'm going to retire soon.
THEN, I would go for SS being eliminated.
Deal?
I consider socialism as an economics system where the majority of all production is done under the direction of government planners.
To me Social Security is a collectivist, wealth-redistriubtion program. That may seem like a distinction without a difference, but one deals with the means of production the other (more narrowly) deals with wealth-redistribution.
Now it’s true that one could have so many wealth-redistribution programs in a nation that the EFFECT is little different than socialist planning. But I don’t think we’re anywhere near that yet.
Ask them what the solution to a problem is.....................another law.
NEVER the market place.
Truth.
Hmmmm.... let's try it this way.
Ask a freeper about social security benefits TAX REFUNDS and if they should be reduced or eliminated.
I expect you want that money you loaned to the government back don't you?
Or do you just let the government keep it?