Posted on 11/03/2020 2:28:07 PM PST by blueplum
New research this week offers some hope for at least one aspect of our immunity to the coronavirus that causes covid-19. The study, conducted by researchers in the UK, found evidence that certain T cells created to combat the coronavirus during infection continue to show a “robust” response at least six months later. ...
... the study found that people who felt sick tended to have a stronger T-cell response than those who were asymptomatic, which could suggest that symptomatic survivors are better protected.
(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...
Is this vaccine or surviving the virus?
You develop better immunity if you are symptomatic in your first infection. Do people who were really sick and maybe in the ICU develop even stronger immunity?
It will are interesting to see what the data are like at 12 months post-infection.
Sick people who got better. They were evaluated six months after getting infected.
No vaccine immunity. Just that people who got the fever and coughing generally had a longer lasting immunity than those who did not.
surviving. Also means the vaccine will need to invoke a strong t-cell response. (which I’m confident the vaccine developers have addressed)
I’d also like to see more data on this inhaler:
article:
https://bgr.com/2020/11/03/coronavirus-treatment-aprotinin-aerosol-flu/
paper:
Aprotinin Inhibits SARS-CoV-2 Replication
https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4409/9/11/2377/htm
Also pertinent:
Adults 65 and older account for 16% of the US population but 80% of COVID-19 deaths in the US. [https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/8-in-10-people-who-have-died-of-covid-19-were-age-65-or-older-but-the-share-varies-by-state/]
For reported deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19 (94%), on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities]
According to the CDC "best estimates" in COVID-19 Planning Scenario, updated Sept. 10 [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html], the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) is 0.02 percent for 20-to-49-year-olds and 0.5 percent for 50-to-69-year-olds. The estimated IFR for people in their 70s is 11 times the rate for 50-to-69-year-olds, 270 times the rate for 20-to-49-year-olds, and 1,800 times the rate for people younger than 20. In the latter two groups, the estimated IFR is lower than the overall IFR for the seasonal flu. [https://reason.com/2020/09/29/the-latest-cdc-estimates-of-covid-19s-infection-fatality-rate-vary-dramatically-with-age/]
About 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html Updated September 16, 2020] with 66% up in MA and 70% in CT [https://apps.bostonglobe.com/metro/investigations/spotlight/2020/09/last-words/part2-forgotten-elderly/index.html?p1=AMPArticle_Recirculation]
While an estimated 1,200 children died in the 2012-2013 flu season [https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm] only 94 children (under 18) out of over 210,000 deaths have died due to COVID-19 (reported 10–02) [https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics] and less than 10 percent of domestic COVID-19 cases are among children under 18 (reported 9–11, [https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200910/Over-half-a-million-reported-child-COVID-19-cases-in-the-United-States.aspx] while the vast majority of children with severe COVID tend to have other risk factors. [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-infection-spread-in-children-cvd/]
Pediatrician says 80% of kids likely have coronavirus, but they're so asymptomatic you'd never know - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-children-pediatrician-80-percent-asymptomatic/
42% of Americans are obese or overweight, and along with hypertension - two conditions the Covid constraint foster - these are to the two most lethal comorbidities. [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/obr.13128; https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/coronavirus-obesity-higher-risk.html]
Testing data compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada showed that to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus using the PCR test, which is the most widely used diagnostic test for the coronavirus. And which which means they are not likely to be infectious and thus need not be quarantined (the greater the viral load, the more likely an infected person is to be contagious).[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html]
A new, preliminary study from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle says the novel coronavirus is most likely transferred through “super-spreader” events, and that 80% of those who test positive for the virus never infect anyone else. - https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/fred-hutchinson-cancer-research-center-study-80-percent-coronavirus-superspreader/281-eb53a16a-632d-4d16-ae31-8cfdce84e570
85% of COVID-19 cases in July were people who said they often or always wear masks. [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf]
Eighty percent of communicable diseases are transferred by touch, so practicing hand hygiene would understandably be important to help fight disease. [https://www.trinityhealth.org/the-keys-to-fighting-covid-19]
Operation Warp Speed — the government’s agreement to subsidize vaccine companies’ clinical trials and manufacturing costs — appears to have been working with remarkable efficiency...Moncef Slaoui, Operation Warp Speed’s chief scientific adviser and a former pharmaceutical executive who has overseen the development of 14 vaccines, has said repeatedly that he expects some of the candidates that he picked to have 75 to 90 percent efficacy and at least two to win approval by early January. [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/health/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-optimism.html?referringSource=articleShare]
While obesity and hypertension are the two leading comorbidities [https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85855] (both of which the shutdown fosters) and Vitamin D deficiency is common among the infected, and households and prolonged breathing in close quarters are primary means of transmission, yet the importance of losing weight, and exercise and being outdoors is not emphasized, not is even frequent ventilation of indoors.
As for effects of the all-ages long-term imposed restrictions, according to one meta-analysis of 42 studies involving 20 million people...the risk of death increases 63 percent when you lose your job...The high end number of estimated deaths comes from a 2011 textbook called “The American Economy: How It Works And How It Doesn’t,” by Wade L. Thomas and Robert B. Carson. Citing Bluestone, Harrison and Baker’s book, “The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation,” they conclude that for every one percentage point increase in the unemployment rate, there are 37,000 deaths — the largest single source coming from heart attacks, presumably from stress, but another 1,000 from suicides and another 650 from homicides. The rest are not categorized, likely due to a lack of underlying data. [https://therevolutionaryact.com/studies-the-shutdown-is-not-lives-vs-dollars-its-lives-vs-lives/]
And as concerns just suicide, we have reports such as “Calls to suicide and help hotline in Los Angeles increase 8,000% due to coronavirus,”[https://abc7.com/suicide-hotline-calls-coronavirus-covid19-los-angeles/6117099/] and “Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus,”[https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/] In addition to which are greatly increased drug overdoses and deaths
An American Psychiatric Association survey [https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/news-releases/new-poll-covid-19-impacting-mental-well-being-americans-feeling-anxious-especially-for-loved-ones-older-adults-are-less-anxious] in mid-March found that 36% of adults report that anxiety over Covid-19 “is having a serious impact on their mental health.”
A Kaiser Family Foundation survey [https://www.kff.org/health-reform/report/kff-health-tracking-poll-early-april-2020/] in late March found that 45% of adults “feel that worry and stress related to” Covid-19 “has had a negative impact on their mental health, an increase from 32% from early March.” Additionally, 19% of adults said it is having a “major impact” on their mental health.
A Benenson Strategy Group survey [https://www.bsgco.com/post/coronavirus-and-americans-mental-health-insights-from-bsg-s-pulse-of-america-poll] in late March revealed that the Covid-19 “situation has already affected” the “mental health” of 55% of U.S. adults “either a great deal or somewhat.” [https://www.justfacts.com/news_covid-19_anxiety_lockdowns_life_destroyed_saved]
Finally, while we seek to save lives, 7,000 Americans die every day in the US from a wide range of causes [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm] - besides over 2,000 a day being slain in the “quarantine” of their mother’s womb [https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states] - my prayer is that all sinners will come to repentance and faith in the risen Lord Jesus and be baptized and follow Him.
Wierd how people’s immunity only expires with covid. /s
Thanks...I hadn’t heard of aprotinin. From the article you linked: “The scientists say that the drug may work best if given early after a COVID-19 infection. Aprotinin ‘may be if limited in late-stage COVID-19 disease.’”
So it has the same characteristics as HCQ and Ivermectin — all of these need to be administered shortly after onset of symptoms.
It seems the challenge is finding a doctor who is up on all these possibilities and understands the criticality of PROMPT therapeutic treatment and willingness to put the patient’s welfare first.
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