Posted on 11/01/2020 7:02:56 PM PST by dynachrome
I am 100% sure the measure legalize everything will not pass.
These threads always bring out the liberaltarians in droves. Faith in the fantasy of utopianism slash anarchy slash aggro attitude is no way to go through life.
The hospitals of Oregon with legalized hard drugs would see lots of unreimbursed expenses from drug overdoses.
Any way that the Federal Govt can stop/resist paying the bills of Oregon’s reckless policy?
I always tell folks that you can’t allow both legalized drugs and free health care for those that are the least responsible.
What has happened to the health system is that those that pay the most get the least, those that pay the least take the most.
A society without any personal responsibility is anarchy and will very quickly bankrupt itself. That is where we are going, and sadly nothing will stop it now. It’s too late.
This is how the Left will fix the problems in Portland ... “fix” being the appropriate term.
It is sad that we have to put up with so many people suffering from delusions based on leftist propaganda around here. It is amusing that they come up with such lofty sounding pseudonyms for themselves.
If it wasn't for the drug culture my wife and I would not have lost all of our irreplaceable family heirlooms, photographs, letters and other memorabilia, where they loaded up all of our stuff into trucks while we were away. A drug dealer lived across the street from us.
When the alarm I installed after the burglary went off, we could hear the occupants saying loudly... “Oh sh!t they have an alarm now.” The guy was selling drugs from his home and dealing in stolen goods even while wearing a court mandated tracking anklet. The house was raided several times while the guy was living there but nothing serious ever happened to him. He would be in jail for a few months and his jail bird friends would be hanging out in the house.
This was all enabled partially by HUD because the old lady who was the guy's mom got a reverse mortgage just before she died and he collected the monthly payments from that for 4 years after she died. He still did not pay the utilities. City light finally cut the wires on the utility pole because they kept putting shims in the meter box. And they shut off the water, so they were constantly out in the back yard pooping. I could go on and on... but all these people lived for was taking drugs.
They held down the property values in our neighborhood for years. When they finally were forced to leave our assessed value doubled in four years.
sorry- but they victimize the working class too-
not to mention, they put folks who have to care for them in jeopardy- healthcare workrs, home care workers etc- those that are sick and ailing from addiciton that is- the hospital worker is more at risk of contracting a disease from them than from general population-
and you can’t justify legalizing something that is dangerous by claiming some folks are ok and don’t hurt others - the mmajority of addicts end up on wlfare, and in long term heTHCARE facilities, which drains the welfare money from those that through no fault of their own suffer disabling conditions
to say that there are no victims of drug users is false
There is a lot wrong with the whole system, but claiming it’s ok for one group because other groups affect society isn’t a legit argument for legalizing something
good points- and likely quite true-
Who is it going to kill? The guy who cures cancer? The one who develops anti gravity? Or Democrats?
Failing to see the down side, here. True market price for heroin would be $1/lb. The rest is Federal crop price supports.
You can't fix Stupid. You can pity it.
I always tell folks that you can’t allow both legalized drugs and free health care for those that are the least responsible.
bingo- the libertarian group want to add every irresponsible group to the burden of taxpayer funded welfare- we’re getting to the point where people think ‘why work? We can just sit around doin drugs all day while someone else foots the bill for us’ (yes that goes for alkies as well unfortunately)
[[A society without any personal responsibility is anarchy and will very quickly bankrupt itself. ]]
Yep-there are a lot of deadbeat on the gov dole already- and libertarians want to jus keep adding nd adding to it- even illegals are on it now- to the tune of nearly 70% of them being o nwelfare- some to hte tune of nearly $45,000 a year- after they bilk the citizens for all they’re worth
IT’s a very effective end around of Capitalism by sneaking in every element of Socialism so as to bankrupt the system. In the end, they’ll say, gee, the only solution from this mess that Capitalism created is to convert to Communism.
My Doctor tried to explain that since Obama Care wasn’t working, that universal Medicare, coverage for all was the only real answer... Haven’t seen that sack of shiite since.
They voted for Kate Brown, Inslee, Ted Wheeler. Never underestimate cubic Stupid.
Threre have been two sets of recall petitions to toss out she-maggot gov Brownstain, and the political machinery in Salem nullified names due to some criminal chicanery. Only Portland residents can vote for P’land mayor, so not relevant. I live in rural SW OR and most of rural OR is conservative. Even many P’land residents as well as Oregonians all over are disgusted and outraged by Wheeler and Brownstain’s support of insurrection and violence and are supporting Trump. Wait and see.
Meant to add - the number of voters with buyers’ remorse on the legalization of mj was very large. Once it was legalized and entire counties went to hell people realized it did not make the situation any better, but much, much worse.
I am sorry to hear of the loss of your irreplacable valuables.
The drug culture is destructive in many ways. Only people who are habitual mj smokers are stupid enough to think legalizing drugs is a good idea. I was a drug user for some years decades ago (when it was nowhere near as potent) and no one can fool me into thinking mj is safe or beneficial or not harmful. What to speak of other even worse drugs.
Hell, I thought they were already on drugs in that state. And stoned to the max.
You don’t live in OR, apparently.
Decriminalize hard drugs?
No Viagra?
No Cialis?
“Portugal’s 2000 decriminalization brought no surge in drug use. Drug deaths fell while the number of people treated for drug addiction in the country rose 20% from 2001 to 2008 and then stabilized”
I hetcha human misery...pilfering...panhandling..public garbage..ER visits...homelessness was up.
"I betcha" is not evidence. Have any?
As I said, I understand the arguments.
Apparently you don't. My argument is NOT "Add to the misery" - my point is that those who hold that such misery justifies a ban on other drugs need to explain why they don't also support a ban on the drug alcohol, which is also implicated in that misery.
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