Posted on 10/28/2020 1:14:06 PM PDT by Liberty7732
Virions exposed to the air rapidly break down as their proteins denature. They become non-infectious. The “chain link fence” doesn’t need to block them because they’re harmless.
SARS-CoV-2 - like most viruses - survives within respiratory droplets which are expelled normally whenever people breathe, talk, sing, cough, or sneeze. The mask doesn’t need to filter virions; it needs to filter respiratory droplets. Those are >5um in size; an order of magnitude larger than individual virions. Even a basic surgical mask will drastically reduce the volume and range of respiratory droplets expelled under normal circumstances.
So from what you’re saying nobody in Arizona is at risk for spreading this with or without a mask because they’re already perfectly social distancing all the time? That sounds wonderful. How’s that working out?
8th highest deaths per million in the nation? Second wave beginning?
Maybe wear the mask in the appropriate situations like President Trump has said.
What I’m saying is A) MOST of Arizona is fine, and we should not apply one rule across a state. B) Arizona hot spots: Nogales, Yuma and the Navajo reservation. In fact, most reservations are hard hit, in part because many Indians are very overweight. C) MASKS don’t do squat! Yuma, Nogales, all of Maricopa County, all of Pima County, the Navajo Reservation - ALL have required masks since June. Or earlier. AND THEY HAVEN’T STOPPED SQUAT!
Evidence, amigo! If masks worked, Arizona (and New York and New Jersey) would be COVID free. As would Wisconsin, Michigan, the UK, France, etc!
Well, in my 54th year as an environmental health and safety professional in heavy industry and big agriculture with extensive experience in the use and, more importantly, practical knowledge of the limitations of personal protective equipment including masks, I'll explain what happens. The mask unloads. The residual particles, including the virus, are either discharged deep into the lungs of the mask wearer with each inhaled breath or the really small particles such as the virus are discharged into the surrounding air as nearly all masks, particularly because the wearer has no clue as to how to properly select, apply/fit test, wear or maintain the mask, are useless against particles as small as a respiratory virus.
This practice of "experts" and politicians telling half-truths (i.e., "lies", as they know damn well what they're saying is only partially true or not true at all in too many instances) aggravates me nearly as much as their mandates, commands and diktats to compel people to do something that is at best ineffective and at worst harmful to their health.
My conclusion is that "science" has devolved into "political science." Cheers!
Mandates don’t work. The masks work just fine if worn properly in the appropriate situations.
That's a failure to use the mask correctly. It is not a failure inherent to the mask. It's user error. If I steer my car into a ditch, that doesn't mean cars don't work to get you from point A to point B. It means I need to learn how to drive.
"The mask unloads. The residual particles, including the virus, are either discharged deep into the lungs of the mask wearer with each inhaled breath or the really small particles such as the virus are discharged into the surrounding air"
A) zero evidence to support this. There are tons of pathogens expelled in respiratory droplets with or without SARS-CoV-2 present, yet nobody is dropping dead because they put on a mask. Doctors, nurses, carpenters, contractors, janitors, laboratory workers, factory workers, dentists, and many others have been wearing masks for decades every day for work. None of them are dropping dead either. B) It doesn't even pass the smell test. Virions expelled from the body are either in a rapidly drying droplet or are are exposed without a droplet. Exposure to air denatures the viral proteins corrupting their structure and rendering them noninfectious.
"the wearer has no clue as to how to properly select, apply/fit test, wear or maintain the mask, are useless against particles as small as a respiratory virus."
Doesn't matter if exposed virions can get through since they're quickly rendered noninfectious anyway. The droplets are the issue. Reducing the volume and range of respiratory droplets expelled by an infected person reduces the risk of viral transmission. As to people not wearing or maintaining their mask properly, this - again - is user error. If I never change my car's oil and the engine seizes, that's not an inherent flaw in cars. I'm using it wrong, so it works less effectively as a result. The solution is to educate people; not give up on using cars as a mode of transportation.
"harmful to their health."
So doctor, nurses, carpenters, contractors, dentists, dental hygienists, painters, construction workers, factory workers, laboratory staff, janitors, firefighters, and every other professional who wears a mask every day in jobs that have used masks for decades - they're all fine - but if I place a piece of cloth over my nose and mouth my lungs are going to collapse and my brain is going to melt? What an absurd contention.
Just be sure your wear it outside around other people so that you continue to be an active participant, although clearly unknowingly, in the spread of the virus ... a "socially responsible" action that will make you feel good about yourself -- even "special" -- as we wait on an effective vaccine. Whatever you believe or desperately want to believe, just like me who rarely wears a mask, you will be helping to develop widespread immunity that will this debacle behind us which should have been accomplished four months ago. Cheers!
Where? Where have masks cut SQUAT?
Sorry to hear.
Lost my Mom to Covid in April.
How old was she? Any underlying conditions?
so sorry to hear about your mother. Prayers up for you and your family. My grandmother was 90 years old and had too many comorbidities to list... everything from cancer to a pacemaker.
I wonder if you give President Trump that same condescending response when he says to wear a mask when it’s appropriate.
If masks worked, people wouldn’t be getting sick in nursing homes and medical clinics
As for the horrible, dehumanizing masks, what I object to -- passionately so -- is the ubiquitousness of mandated masking even for healthy people who represent the vast majority of our population and the psychological harm this continuing practice must be doing to America's children. Because they are a persistent powerful visual reminder that we are "just one cough or one sneeze away from certain death", widespread masking makes it even more difficult to recover from the extensive damage to our society and to our economy resulting not from The Virus, but from the deliberate ongoing actions of the seemingly omnipotent governors. Regards....
I agree with your opposition to mask mandates. I don’t like government mandates whether they’re for masks, seat belts, motorcycle helmets, or anything else that should be up to individual choice.
But I vehemently disagree about the effectiveness of masks based on all the scientific studies and literature I’ve reviewed. The available evidence is that SARS-CoV-2 spreads primarily via respiratory droplets. Masks demonstrably reduce the range and volume of respiratory droplets. Barring some completely unknown other variable, there’s simply no other conclusion but that masks reduce the risk of transmission.
No.
Next question.
Sorry to hear.
Lost my Mom to Covid in April.
How old was she? Any underlying conditions?
so sorry to hear about your mother. Prayers up for you and your family. My grandmother was 90 years old and had too many comorbidities to list... everything from cancer to a pacemaker.
My mother was going to be 90 this past August. Mom was a near 60 year smoker(1-2 packs a day). Had COPD and CHF. Was on Oxygen. Had spots on her lungs that they suspected were cancer but at here age and condition they were never going to treat. Even before the CHINA virus we expected a severe respiratory event would take her.
I still blame the Serial Killer of the elderly in PA, Killer Tom Wolf, for not protecting her. There was NO COVID in the facility, UNIT, or room, prior to lockdown.
We got weekly reports “NO COVID”. About 8 weeks later we were called and told Mom had a fever. She died in about 3 days. Since she was already on HOSPICE protocols, nothing was done to treat her. They managed her discomfort. 2 days after she died we were told that she DID have COVID.
Here is the latest report from where she was:
Neshaminy Manor Nursing Home
Number of confirmed in-house resident positive cases of Covid-19: 106
•Patients recovered:106
•Staff testing positive: 70 of which all 70 have recovered. Zero staff members are currently being followed by the Health Department
•To date we are sad to report that 54 residents testing positive for Covid-19 have died. That number is not included in the above totals.
•Of the COVID-positive residents reported above nine (9) had already RECOVERED from the virus at the time of their passing
•There are zero (0) staff and/or residents exhibiting signs/symptoms of respiratory issues in the past 72 hours.
•Neshaminy Manor is continuing to conduct additional weekly testing of negative residents per the Department of Health Guidance.
320 bed facility - The 54 deaths are NOT counted with the 106 who recovered. That means 160 of 320 patients tested positive. 70 Staff got COVID and all recovered.
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