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The Marines Corps is rolling out a 'subversive' new strategy to take on China
Business Insider ^ | October 25th, 2020 | Mark Perry

Posted on 10/25/2020 8:08:11 PM PDT by Mariner

US Marine officers are notoriously dismissive of those who talk about strategy. "Strategy?" a Marine who served in Vietnam says. "Here was our strategy: hey-diddle-diddle, straight-up-the-middle."

The description rings true: The Marine Corps' most famous fights were straight-ahead affairs that gave the Corps its most celebrated moments: at Belleau Wood (in World War I), at Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa (in World War II), at Inchon (during Korea), at Hue (in Vietnam) and, most recently during the battles for Fallujah, back in 2004. Now, it seems, all of that is changing.

In August of last year, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. David Berger published his Commandant's Planning Guidance, a detailed recasting of the Marine Corps' force structure.

By any measure, Berger's guidance marked a breathtaking shift away from the service's urban combat focus and its follow-on mandate of "countering violent extremists in the Middle East" to a "great power/peer level competition, with special emphasis on the Indo Pacific…"

The shift, Berger admits, is sweeping: "from inland to littoral, and from non-state actor to peer competitor." The guidance reduces tank companies (from 7 to 0), artillery batteries (from 21 to 5), infantry battalions (from 24 to 21), amphibious vehicle companies (from 6 to 4), helicopter attack squadrons (from 7 to 5), and the number of F-35Bs in its air squadrons.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; davidberger; indopacific; marines; pacific; usmc
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To: Mariner

Excuse me, but how do you win if your CIC is owned by the enemy?


21 posted on 10/25/2020 9:59:39 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: Mariner

This is for survival. The Marines cannot sustain long logistical and maintenance lines. They will have to force the Navy to come up with the naval gunfire they lost when the battleships were decommissioned.

And they learned they cannot be the same as the Army in Iraq and Afghanistan if they are going to be competing against Space Force. Smart move. They have to get lighter and more mobile, and pick up realistic missions that are absolutely necessary for the Navy, rather than being the 2nd ground army.


22 posted on 10/25/2020 10:35:02 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Mariner

It’s been customary, the last couple of wars, for the Pentagon to use Marine shock troops as just another 3 maneuver divisions, and ignore their specialization.


23 posted on 10/25/2020 11:27:58 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Are you referring to the Stryker? The Marines don’t have any.

To be fair, while the Marines are infamous for being able to break everything up to and including solid metal ingots that they are issued with, they have to think about things more than the other branches due to historical lack of equipment, lack of funding and being overtasked.


24 posted on 10/25/2020 11:32:49 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mariner
The Navy also thinks Marine stands for:
My
A$$
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment

the article talks about "unmanned" platforms. We seem to be almost there now...

"... the Marines will deploy "low cost, lethal air and ground unmanned platforms, unmanned long range surface and subsurface vehicles, mobile, rapidly deployable rocket systems, long range precision fires, loitering munitions… mobile air defense and counter-precision guided munitions capabilities, signature management, electronic warfare and expeditionary airfields"

With all this "just call it in stuff" what is the Marine suppose to do?
Old Corps (anyone with a Service Number one less than me) will probably jump straight up and straight down for a while.
25 posted on 10/25/2020 11:57:50 PM PDT by stylin19a ( 2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: delta7

If its a hatchet job, its a self imposed one. I work with a Marine, and he approves of a lot of the moves. They want to focus to Corps on expeditionary strike missions and simply don’t see armor and artillery (with the accompanying logistical support requirements) as crucial to that effort.

We’ll see what happens.


26 posted on 10/26/2020 2:28:45 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: Rockingham

Other sources going back months, if not a year, suggest that the Corps is going to focus on “raiding”. When I hear that I think of what the USMC did in the immediate aftermath of Pearl Harbor at places like Makin Island and Kwajalein Atoll. Makes a certain amount of sense. Why would you seize an island & hold it when the Chinese could simply plaster it with ballistic missiles? If anything the US Military is talking about shifting assets around from strategic bases deemed to be too close to China to bases further away.


27 posted on 10/26/2020 2:47:21 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: Sequoyah101

Al Grey when he was at 2nd MarDiv adopted Maneuver Warfare as doctrine way before the US Army — unless you consider Air-Land Battle as ‘qualifying’ which I don’t.

Also, the Marines studied USAF Colonel John Boyd’s theories when everybody else considered him a crank.

Then you have Major Pete Ellis (Intelligence, pre-WW2) and Gen. Roy Geiger (aviation pioneer, Cactus Air Force). So the USMC has had it’s share of free-thinkers over the years.


28 posted on 10/26/2020 2:56:52 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: yesthatjallen
Great. Let's release our military plans in Business Insider.

Broad discussions about doctrine and force structure are unclassified, in fact it would be hard to have them in a classified environment. People would notice that the Marines have coughed up all their tanks and reclassified or transferred to the Army all their tankers.

Almost all our doctrine is "Approved for Public Release, Distribution Unlimited."

Actual campaign, operational, and contingency plans are mostly classified at various levels from "UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY" through compartmented TOP SECRET plans.

29 posted on 10/26/2020 3:41:41 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: Mariner

Maybe (and I’m far from knowledgeable on USMC) this is aligning the corp with the current tactics associated with asymmetrical warfare readiness and planning.


30 posted on 10/26/2020 5:07:31 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Tallguy

The Chinese cannot hit what they cannot see, and even when they see a target, they will do little damage if the target is widely dispersed and dug in. Moreover, expending ballistic missiles and giving away firing positions incurs disadvantages.


31 posted on 10/26/2020 5:41:02 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Mariner
When I was in the Air Force, a common saying leadership was spouting was “We can do more with less.”

Reality is a bitch, but you do less with less.

That's it.

So whittling down the Corps means the Corps does less.

I don't see that as a good way to run an armed service, but I was just an E-8, what the hell would I know?

32 posted on 10/26/2020 5:41:54 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The only thing worse than COVID-19 is Biden-20!)
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To: delta7

Drone technology is being fielded, and demonstrating its capability.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/attack-drones-dominating-tanks-as-armenia-azerbaijan-conflict-showcases-the-future-of-war

When you have cheap drones flying over the battlefield, targeting expensive tanks and artillery, the future of big, expensive hardware is put in doubt, in the same way that big battleships were rendered obsolete by air power in WW2.


33 posted on 10/26/2020 6:33:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Mariner

The first tactic of any Marine unit is to send off the CIA implant to Mama-san at the village for boom-boom and hooch so he won’t get in the way of the mission.


34 posted on 10/26/2020 7:06:32 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: Rockingham
My guess is that the new force structure is intended to permit rapid deployment of Marines to SE Asia to dispute or control large areas of sea and littoral.

And how does the guidance accomplish that task? The related parts I see from this article are decreasing littoral/amphibious capabilities, not increasing them. The guidance reduces ... amphibious vehicle companies (from 6 to 4), helicopter attack squadrons (from 7 to 5), and the number of F-35Bs in its air squadrons.
35 posted on 10/26/2020 6:14:17 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect
Broad discussions about doctrine and force structure are unclassified, in fact it would be hard to have them in a classified environment.

Almost all our doctrine is "Approved for Public Release, Distribution Unlimited."


And how, pray tell, does US military doctrine enter into any kind of serious conversation?


36 posted on 10/26/2020 6:17:44 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

The cuts are no doubt to free up cash for new weapons and capabilities.


37 posted on 10/26/2020 6:28:10 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
The cuts are no doubt to free up cash for new weapons and capabilities.

I would hope so, because completely eliminating armor, almost eliminating artillery, and substantively reducing amphibious and attack aviation assets is gonna save them beaucoup dollars. He could probably buy the Marines a small carrier for all that.
38 posted on 10/26/2020 9:33:21 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

Some changes, like drastic reduction or elimination of conventional artillery, are already well underway in the Army. The replacement capability is guided missile artillery.


39 posted on 10/26/2020 10:01:47 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Svartalfiar

What tactical and operational doctrine are and/or should be is the core of serious military conversations. Doctrine provides the common language and baseline to guide commanders and staffs. But unlike what Soviet and Germans tended to perceive, it is not a prescription, but rather a guide to help shape analysis and thinking.

Doctrine discussions help leaders What can (or as important, can’t) military force do to achieve national policy goals? How can the existing force best be used? How do you effectively use land, air, sea, space, cyber forces to achieve tactical, operational and strategic goals?

Tactical, operational, and strategic doctrine guided most of my work for my 32 years in both the Regular Army and National Guard. It still does as a civilian planner for the DoD.


40 posted on 10/26/2020 10:12:58 PM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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