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The U.S. Has an ‘Intelligence’ Problem. America’s retired spies want to be in charge of picking our presidents.
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 23, 2020 | Holman W. Jenkins

Posted on 10/24/2020 7:11:48 AM PDT by karpov

Let’s talk about lying. They admitted to having no evidence, but 50 former U.S. intelligence officials claimed the leak of Hunter Biden emails has “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” No it doesn’t. The Russians have easier, less falsifiable ways to put disinformation into circulation. In fact, nothing about the laptop episode is reminiscent of Russian efforts with which we’ve become familiar. Given much documentary and testimonial evidence as well as Occam’s razor, the laptop is exactly what the New York Post says it is. The Biden campaign has conceded as much. The 50-plus signers know it. Theirs is nakedly a campaign of disinformation in the middle of an election. I am sorry to say to some of my readers: If you’re so dumb as to lose all critical judgment every time you hear the word “Russians,” somebody will take advantage of it.

As far as I know, nothing is illegal about former spooks conspiring to influence an election. A working assumption, though, has always been that a fearless and truth-telling press was ready to expose and shame such activity.

More than anything on Hunter’s laptop, this is the issue that should concern you now.

The Steele dossier came with no documentation, no declared sources, and was refuted by everybody named in it—and yet countless media and political types had no problem promoting it to roil our politics. The most important and likeliest Russian disinformation was made-up email content, denied by the Democratic and Obama officials involved, that you still haven’t been told about. This suspected Russian disinformation embarked James Comey on his chaotic interventions the 2016 election, but the details remain conveniently hidden in the only one of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s reports to be buried under a top-secret classification.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 202010; bidenlaptop; cia; fbi; hunterbiden; ic; laptop; letter; signatories; spies; spooks
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1 posted on 10/24/2020 7:11:48 AM PDT by karpov
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"The U.S. Has an ‘Intelligence’ Problem. America’s retired spies want to be in charge of picking our presidents."

The problem is that the former DeepState IC leadership has not been charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2 posted on 10/24/2020 7:15:34 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; arthurus; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Ax; ...

Same 50 as in the tread of a few days ago?


3 posted on 10/24/2020 7:15:39 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again.)
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To: karpov

Maybe I am misinformed, but “retired spies”, are now out of the loop, unless they have been ‘retained for their expertise’, am I right?

Also, haven’t their clearances been yanked?

And, are they still liable, under agency disclosure agreements?


4 posted on 10/24/2020 7:17:16 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: karpov

“Fiona Hill, the Brookings Institution sapient who served for a while in the Trump administration, finally emerged from the fog last month. In a New York Times op-ed, she noted that while Kremlin diplomats unpersuasively tried to deny meddling in U.S. politics, the Russians very persuasively pointed out that Americans turned molehills into mountains to serve their own grubby domestic agendas.”

Bingo!!! If people are to stupid to do their own research or think for themselves, that’s not my problem.


5 posted on 10/24/2020 7:18:28 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Terry L Smith
“ And, are they still liable, under agency disclosure agreements?”

This is the part that baffles me. During the redeployment back to the US, I had to sign a NDA as a civilian beancounter. Never mind that is was never in sensitive places ot saw anything beyond routine, every day life.

Why are there no consequences got the former intel operatives when they run off at the mouth?

6 posted on 10/24/2020 7:27:05 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (In this circus called the Democrat Party, Biden is the monkey and Harris is the organ grinder...)
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To: God luvs America
the Russians very persuasively pointed out that Americans turned molehills into mountains to serve their own grubby domestic agendas

Yeah, but the Russians are taking advantage of our known deep-state propensity to do just that.

7 posted on 10/24/2020 7:27:52 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Carl Vehse

The politicization of intelligence just points out that Trump’s first priority after election should be a major house cleaning. There are still too many Obama loyalists, globalists and socialists in the government that are undermining Trump’s agenda.

Contrary to what some may think they can all be easily replaced. We don’t need political hacks; we just need competent patriots.


8 posted on 10/24/2020 7:28:05 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: karpov

50 former U.S. “officials” i.e. democRat hacks should be arrested for treason and executed by firing squad.

They have outed themselves. /spit


9 posted on 10/24/2020 7:28:07 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: karpov

Not to fret...

Add another 50 to the Wall list...


10 posted on 10/24/2020 7:30:27 AM PDT by MCEscherHammer
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To: karpov

Same “50” parroting about Russian Collusion for the past four years.

Seems to me these “intelligence professionals” weren’t very good. Why listen to them now?


11 posted on 10/24/2020 7:31:56 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: ASA Vet

I discussed this with my wife and she got a kick out of 50 “former” intelligence agents saying it was Russia while currently employed intelligence agents were saying it was confirmed.

But what do we know?


12 posted on 10/24/2020 7:34:21 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

My ‘NDA’s: ( 25 YEAR LIFE)
1. USAF, 1980.
2. GENERAL DYNAMICS, 1985.
3. NAVPRO GRUMMAN AEROSPACE, 1994.
4. U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau, 2000.
5. Dept. of Veteran Affairs, 2006.

So, I still have some actives NDA’s.


13 posted on 10/24/2020 7:36:07 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Has anyone investigated whether the “50 former intelligence
officials” even exist, or are they just another Biden lie?


14 posted on 10/24/2020 7:36:25 AM PDT by Texas Patriot61 (Gun control is being able to hit your target.)
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To: Terry L Smith

Mine didn’t have an end date.


15 posted on 10/24/2020 7:36:55 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (In this circus called the Democrat Party, Biden is the monkey and Harris is the organ grinder...)
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To: Terry L Smith

“And, are they still liable, under agency disclosure agreements?”

Unless the non-disclosure agreements themselves relate to highly classified or forbidden topics, that when disclosed will harm the agency more than the country.

The purpose of any intelligence agency, be it our very own, Russian or whatever, is to break laws, otherwise there would be no need for clandestine operations. Now as good Americans we all assume the intelligence agencies are breaking the laws of other nations by spying on those countries, not ours.

Once you get career intel people at the higher positions used to spying on other countries with a hidden unlimited budget with zero transparency, what’s to stop them from spying on their own countryman? Snowden made this obvious a while back.

My point is, disclosure agreements may have nothing to do with national security, but internal security of the agency. If their goal is to disrupt our country, they may well be within the realm of such a non-disclosure agreement. Breaking of an internal non-disclosure agreement will not subject them to US law, rather internal justice, such as a fatal heart attack, fatal car crash, home robbery murder, etc.


16 posted on 10/24/2020 7:45:02 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: Terry L Smith

Where did you work Grumman Aero?


17 posted on 10/24/2020 7:45:21 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Terry L Smith

And some foreign travel restrictions do not have end dates.


18 posted on 10/24/2020 7:48:43 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: karpov

The “intelligence” problem is government agencies shielding documents and information from the American people through secrecy classifications, redactions, and outright denial the information exists. Based on the events of the past 4 years it seems 98% of the secrecy classification and redactions are done to cover up immoral, criminal or negligent behavior by bureaucrats and politicians.

One might also conclude any US government secret a foreign government desires is easily obtained by that foreign government through spy networks, hacking, or purchasing of secrets. Sadly too many politicians, Congressional staff members, members of the armed forces, government bureaucrats, private contractors, and academics conducting research projects seem to have no qualms about providing secrets to foreign entities.

Journalists also are privy to government secrets unavailable to the public through deliberate leaks by bureaucrats and politicians. Those journalists, who are quick to condemn others for behavior deemed immoral or corrupt, happily hide behind the first amendment which protects them even in breaking the law to obtain and disseminate confidential information. Witness the daily selective leaking of private business and tax information of President Trump by the New York Times.

This begs the question. Should the government have any secrets at all? If bureaucrats, politicians, journalists, private contractors, and foreign nations have US government “secrets” which are denied to the people, what does this say about the state of governance in the United States?

When a government willfully shields its illicit activities from the people under the cloak of “national defense secrecy” the people live in a state of tyranny. Particularly when those who control the secrets are unaccountable for their criminal activity.

With the exception of the nuclear codes, and details of current and future weapons systems, as well as private information regarding citizens collected by the government (tax returns, healthcare information, employee information, criminal investigations in process, vital statistics) is there any reason for the government to keep any of its activities secret from the people?


19 posted on 10/24/2020 7:51:53 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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To: karpov

The “intelligence” problem is government agencies shielding documents and information from the American people through secrecy classifications, redactions, and outright denial the information exists. Based on the events of the past 4 years it seems 98% of the secrecy classification and redactions are done to cover up immoral, criminal or negligent behavior by bureaucrats and politicians.

One might also conclude any US government secret a foreign government desires is easily obtained by that foreign government through spy networks, hacking, or purchasing of secrets. Sadly too many politicians, Congressional staff members, members of the armed forces, government bureaucrats, private contractors, and academics conducting research projects seem to have no qualms about providing secrets to foreign entities.

Journalists also are privy to government secrets unavailable to the public through deliberate leaks by bureaucrats and politicians. Those journalists, who are quick to condemn others for behavior deemed immoral or corrupt, happily hide behind the first amendment which protects them even in breaking the law to obtain and disseminate confidential information. Witness the daily selective leaking of private business and tax information of President Trump by the New York Times.

This begs the question. Should the government have any secrets at all? If bureaucrats, politicians, journalists, private contractors, and foreign nations have US government “secrets” which are denied to the people, what does this say about the state of governance in the United States?

When a government willfully shields its illicit activities from the people under the cloak of “national defense secrecy” the people live in a state of tyranny. Particularly when those who control the secrets are unaccountable for their criminal activity.

With the exception of the nuclear codes, and details of current and future weapons systems, as well as private information regarding citizens collected by the government (tax returns, healthcare information, employee information, criminal investigations in process, vital statistics) is there any reason for the government to keep any of its activities secret from the people?


20 posted on 10/24/2020 7:52:52 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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