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Posted on 10/13/2020 6:44:20 AM PDT by Red Badger
> https://www.foxnews.com/world/helicopter-crash-in-afghanistan-reportedly-kills-members-of-seal-team-6 >
"We don't believe that any of the special operators who were killed were involved in the bin Laden operation," a senior U.S. military official told Fox News
Probably shouldn't be butting in. :)
One on that helicopter was on Seal Team 5. I know his cousins and aunt and uncle. There’s a bridge in Willits California named after him.
http://www.veterantributes.org/TributeDetail.php?recordID=2037
Well apparently a couple of people with the highest security clearances are lending credence to this story tonight. The President of the United States has just posted his SECOND retweet on the subject and General Michael Flynn’s attorney, Sidney Powell, has also retweeted the story twice. So, just laying that out there for consideration.
Your argument requires not only that O'Neil and Bissonnette as individuals lied about having been a part of the mission, but also that the entire SEAL community - every swinging Richard - participated in the cover up. That when the unit responsible for the OBL raid was shot down and killed in August, every single guy who knew that the public story was a lie stayed quiet, and let ttyem get wiped out deliberately.
I personally have a higher opinion of the honor of the guys who serve in the SEALs than your theory permits. And nobody still has cited any statement, from anyone in a position to know that the unit that killed OBL was the same unit killed just a few months later. Literally nothing. It is just assumed to be true without ever identifying any source at all.
I don’t know what has been claimed by the “whistleblower,” but the shootdown of Extortion 17, if done with insider knowledge, would, at least to me, be a pretty effective retaliation.
Okay, tired of arguing with you. I don’t find your argument compelling though. The OBL mission was of highest sensitivity. I seriously doubt that everyone in the group is going to know all about it and be able to tag which guys went where. I am not making any claims regarding O’Neil or Bissonnette. I do know that many people live a life that is a lie for various reasons, national security, getting intel, covering up, fame. But, again, I don’t know if or where they fit into this story. With Trump retweeting it twice now though, I think it’s worth paying serious attention to and am not willing to dismiss it just because a friend of yours supposedly said the team that killed OBL shipped out.
Ping-a-ling!
Hope all is well with you!
BTTT
There is an element in the whistleblower’s claim that would make it sound like they were killed to destroy the evidence. A lot of squirrelly stuff went on in the reporting on that incident. Look at the video by the one seal’s father and how he was given a report where the pages behind the first page had no ink (in other words they printed the document but didn’t use ink on the rest of it so that he couldn’t see it). When he asked for a reprint they said they destroyed it. Weird stuff - and it is the O admin so, there’s that.
And believing that there are those in the military capable of taking part in such a cover-up is not the same as impugning the honor of everyone in the military. That’s a logical fallacy.
Correct. Particularly when you are seeing people like those O put in power positions openly defy the current commander in chief publicly. It was a crooked enterprise with Obama, Clinton and Panetta running the show. Why would anyone expect the straight scoop from them?
Ditto that...
POTUS tweets a lot of crap. Some decent crap, some bad crap. Doesn’t matter. Only when heads start rolling and people start getting locked up will I believe.
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In fact, the claim is that OBL wasn't killed at all, and that our own government was complicit in killing the SEAL team that went after OBL to cover up that failure. So to support that argument, it has to have been the exact same guys.
Which makes zero sense.
Bttt.
5.56mm
POTUS Tweeted about this.............................
You're ignoring that who went where already is public. Not by name, but by unit. Public statements that "red squadron got OBL, gold squadron was killed in the chopper crash." I posted those links. Every single SEAL on the entire Team knows who, at least generally, is in which Squadron, and those Squadrons all consist of more than just the guys on those missions. They know whether or not their buddies came home. The families know. The whole idea that those missions were so secret that nobody really knows -- even after the fact -- who was on which mission founders on the red/gold distinction that already has been made public.
and am not willing to dismiss it just because a friend of yours supposedly said the team that killed OBL shipped out
I wouldn't believe me either -- I'm just a random guy on the internet. But that's why I put my personal knowledge last. What no fair-minded person can dismiss is the public statements specifying which squadron did what, how many people would know if that was a lie, and that nobody has come forward to say that's not true.
That's true, and I certainly think the Taliban would have liked to kill as many members of Seal Team 6 -- especially after the VP confirmed publicly that they were the primary unit responsible -- as possible.
But the claim goes well beyond that. In fact, the argument is that OBL wasn't really killed at all (so there wouldn't be cause to retaliate anyway...), and that our government had the SEALs on the OBL mission killed to keep that fact silent. There are way more holes than cheese in that theory.
I mean, in addition to all the other problems with that theory...why kill the SEALs at all? Supposedly, they killed an OBL double instead of OBL himself. So why not just lie to them, say that the DNA test came back, and it really was OBL? Mission accomplished! You don't have to run the enormous added risk of killing those SEALs, then inventing an elaborate lie that could easily be picked apart by other SEALs. You simply tell the guys on the mission that DNA confirmed the kill.
So the theory doesn't make sense even on its own terms.
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