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1 posted on 10/09/2020 8:21:41 AM PDT by Red Badger
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2A Ping!.................


2 posted on 10/09/2020 8:22:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (Sine Q-Anon.....................very............)
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Can somebody drop that question for the President to address on Rush’s show today? (I don’t know enough technically to phrase one properly).


4 posted on 10/09/2020 8:27:47 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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Atlas Shrugged:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”


5 posted on 10/09/2020 8:28:48 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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They are changing an AR-15 pistol with a wrist support stock to a ‘short-barreled rifle’ which requires a BATF license.
Just ‘cuz they feel like it.


6 posted on 10/09/2020 8:28:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security! (Ironic, huh?))
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Trump has pissed me off with several unconstitutional gun orders.


7 posted on 10/09/2020 8:29:50 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1, Today's Special: Half Baked, 50c)
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Yet another reason to vote for President Trump/Vice President Pence.


8 posted on 10/09/2020 8:29:50 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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“could alienate hardcore supporters”

Gee, let me think. Don’t vote for Trump and get who?


10 posted on 10/09/2020 8:32:06 AM PDT by antidemoncrat (Biden's)
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I have got a 3-D printer and the files for the basically worthless printed pistols. I could go to Home Depot and make a much more durable and safer “firearm” in much less time than it would take to print and put together the a printed pistol. But if you don’t embed a metal plate in the in your printed gun so that it can be detected by a metal detector you have created an illegal firearm and could get yourself in big trouble.


11 posted on 10/09/2020 8:32:49 AM PDT by fireman15
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I can’t help but think that this is yet another thing that deep state scumbags are trying to depress the Trump vote.

More and more I’m afraid that Biden is going to win the election, and that will be the end for the constitution and individual rights.

Mark


13 posted on 10/09/2020 8:33:16 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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“...shall not be infringed”. Except by the government?


17 posted on 10/09/2020 8:45:27 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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Congress is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by clause 3 of Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution. I would think that this would extend to the executive branch (BATF) where they are making law (with punishments) with arbitrary regulations at their whim. The time may come soon that this type of executive regulatory lawmaking will be struck down by the judiciary.


18 posted on 10/09/2020 8:51:41 AM PDT by dmcnash (Back off! I'm a Scientist.)
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It would appear the Trump administration’s going about this in the same manner they effectively banned bump stocks with very little blowback from 2A groups and supporters.


19 posted on 10/09/2020 8:53:09 AM PDT by Izzatso
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When they find all the weapons they smuggled to Mejico under the Obammy/Holder doctrine of ‘Who Me A gun smuggler?’ ‘turn your head and cough’ approach.. maybe then the ATF can get around to doing an internal investigation of why they became so corrupted themselves and who should be fearing who and about what? Who do they think they are, CONgre$$?


31 posted on 10/09/2020 9:41:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!! Help beat the leftist media at their own game.)
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Ex Post Facto

Can't be "guilty" after the fact.

33 posted on 10/09/2020 9:51:27 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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Patriots, you don't need to read the rest of this post. Just vote Republican ticket on November 3.

Patriots are reminded that the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress is the real problem in this issue, not the constitutionally undefined ATF.

More specifically, the states have never expressly constitutionally given Congress the specific power to do probably most of the mischief that the ATF is now doing imo.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

In fact, the congressional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had clarified that, until the 14th Amendment (14A) was ratified, the states had never expressly constitutionally given Congress the specific powers (my wording) to make peacetime penal laws, not even for murder.

"Our Constitution never conferred upon the Congress of the United States the power - sacred as life is, first as it is before all other rights which pertain to man on this side of the grave - to protect it in time of peace by the terrors of the penal code within organized states; and Congress has never attempted to do it. There never was a law upon the United States statute-book to punish the murderer for taking away in time of peace the life of the noblest, and the most unoffending, as well, of your citizens, within the limits of any State of the Union. The protection of the citizen in that respect was left to the respective States, and there the power is to-day [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe. (See bottom half of third column.)

Note that the only people who can violate Section 1 of 14A are activist state officials who abridge constitutionally enumerated protections imo.

Again, corrupt, anti-2nd Amendment Congress is hiding behind ATF by letting that agency get away with exercising constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers. Pelosi is not about to impeach anyone in ATF imo.

Corrections, insights welcome.

37 posted on 10/09/2020 10:05:30 AM PDT by Amendment10
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In a recent interview, Donald Trump Jr. told Secrets that it’s not the president who wants any change to the AR pistol rules, but the so-called swamp. “It feels like someone rogue there trying to play games prior to an election on the gun issue.”


That can be fixed with an EO shortly after the election.

I expect that this is a way for TPTB at ATF to ingratiate themselves with the (hoped for, in their eyes) incoming Biden Administration. If (as I expect) Trump wins, this will go away pretty quickly.

However, regardless of what happens, this shows that the Deep State bureaucrats at ATF have never changed, and that they are interested in reducing or eliminating the 2A rights of all Americans. IMHO, the entire agency should be eliminated - as part of legislation that repeals all, or at least most, of the 1934 NFA and the 1968 GCA.


39 posted on 10/09/2020 10:10:45 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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40 posted on 10/09/2020 10:24:18 AM PDT by LouAvul (The wheels of America are coming off and the media have stolen the lug nuts.)
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Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional Art. 1, Sect. 9


43 posted on 10/09/2020 10:57:54 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It's NYC.)
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bttt


48 posted on 10/09/2020 11:31:12 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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I am of the opinion that there is a larger legal / constitutional question(s) here.

Can Congress delegate law making authority when it comes to constitutionally protected rights? By example, can congress delegate to the FCC the right to regulate cameras, and then the FCC restrict digital cameras from cell phones?

Can an Administrative ruling change the law?

Can that change happen without Congressional oversight?

If such a change happens, does it only apply to future? No ex-post facto?

Can a tax be collected on a sale of property after the fact?

Can a tax be collected on a Constitutional right and thus prevent the free exercise thereof? By example, can the Government tax sales of the Quran or the Bible? If you cant collect a tax on those items, then I submit for consideration that using a tax to limit ownership of machine guns or silencers is just as abhorent to the Constitution. At the very least, requires splitting some mighty fine hairs to allow one and not the other.

If the government requires citizens to dispose of previously legal property, isnt that a “seziure” and requires the payment of compensation at fair market value?


49 posted on 10/09/2020 11:32:55 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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