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For those who believe government health care is so grand, in parts of Italy people over age 65 were denied ventilators without any other consideration. In Sweden, old folks in nursing homes were denied hospital admission even when indicated.

This is how socialism works.

1 posted on 10/02/2020 9:29:18 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
HA!

The joke is on them!

I would refuse the vaccine if offered (or demanded).

2 posted on 10/02/2020 9:36:24 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Thaq is exactly backward. I would recommend that the elderly, front-line workers, and those with compromised immunity get the first opportunity to be vaccinated. They should choose, but those at highest risk should be first.


3 posted on 10/02/2020 9:39:45 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pining_4_TX

Good way to clean the deadwood out.
never let a crisis go to waste!

Do I really need an </s>


4 posted on 10/02/2020 9:42:31 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Ironically, how many lives were saved by denying ventilators, since we now know the incredible damage they cause?


5 posted on 10/02/2020 9:43:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Pining_4_TX
allocation of scare resources

Been a lot of that lately.

6 posted on 10/02/2020 9:43:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

This is how socialism works.

They are Parliamentary democracies with elements of socialism especially in healthcare - however, the US has more socialist elements than they do.

In “socialist” China people were herded from their apartments or chained in and taken away to places where there were no facilities, no medicines, no doctors, no nurses, no drugs, and beds were 3 feet or less apart, all doors locked and only one way (in), all widows sealed shut and covered.

This is how socialism works.


7 posted on 10/02/2020 9:45:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Speaking in general, any nation that doesn’t take steps to protect the elderly and children, born or in the womb doesn’t deserve to exist.


8 posted on 10/02/2020 9:45:58 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Socialism” doesn’t work, because it is a based upon false premises, a fundamental error in human nature.

It doesn’t matter whether talking about food, or “health care” or anything else. In the case of food, nobody put it better than Hayek or Friedmann or Sowell or whoever it was: “In socialism, people line up for bread. In a free market, the bread lines up for people.”

This is why in socialist societies, they put a price cap or “controls” on prices. It’s only “fair” for example, that bread doesn’t cost too much, after all, right? This sounds good, and strikes a chord with people, particularly young and idealistic types. Their heart might be in the right place, but it doesn’t work that way. So the shelves are bare.

“How much for a loaf of bread?” and the answer is “Same as always. 5c ... if we had any.”

Health care is no different. If it’s “free” there won’t be any, at least not for anyone who was suckered into voting for it. Same old same old. Worse, everything involved in a socialist society requires coercion and punishment and tyranny and eventually, piles of skulls to enforce a system that won’t function and can’t be made to function no matter how many “reactionaries” and kulaks are liquidated. Pretty damn sad, and in this country it is often the multimillionaires who insist that socialism is the way to go.


9 posted on 10/02/2020 9:48:20 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Pining_4_TX

The UK coined the term “bed blockers”.

And one bureaucrat over there suggested that the elderly have a duty to die.

Let’s hear it for the NHS.


10 posted on 10/02/2020 9:52:10 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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This is how socialism works.

Socialism, right. But I am more concerned about some who call themselves conservatives who are more than willing to sacrifice the old people.

I believe you'll find some or many, lurking in the hallways of Free Republic.
15 posted on 10/02/2020 10:08:10 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The left wants the elderly dead. More money in the medical system to give free abortion, sex “change” operations, euthanasia and aids care.


16 posted on 10/02/2020 10:18:59 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Make Trump President Again!)
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To: Pining_4_TX
For those who believe government health care is so grand, in parts of Italy people over age 65 were denied ventilators without any other consideration. In Sweden, old folks in nursing homes were denied hospital admission even when indicated.

This is how socialism works.

And in NY and PA, highly infectious patients were deliberately and maliciously forced onto nursing home.

This is how democrats work.

18 posted on 10/02/2020 10:23:22 AM PDT by null and void (Democrats donate to bail money. Republicans donate to scholarships. ~ throwthebumsout)
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"For those who believe government health care is so grand..." ..."How much for a loaf of bread?” and the answer is “Same as always. 5c ... if we had any.”

And for those who wish ill for the Trumps....(Italian right-wing opposition leader Matteo Salvini) tweeted: “In Italy and in the world, whoever celebrates the illness of a man or of a woman, and who comes to wish the death of a neighbor, confirms what he is: An idiot without soul. A hug to Melania and Donald.″

21 posted on 10/02/2020 10:42:40 AM PDT by yoe (Vote for President Trump!..Keep America Great and protected by the US. Constitution.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Bump


22 posted on 10/02/2020 11:15:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." --Donald Trump)
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To: Pining_4_TX
socialized medicine:

young patients demand too much but get less quantity and lower quality care, and become dependent parasites

old patients are denied care and become helpless sacrificial victims

doctors get government controls and become overworked and underpaid useful idiot slaves

government must control rising costs by controlling doctors' fees, and doctors' treatments, and so becomes an uncaring cruel tyrannical monopoly

23 posted on 10/02/2020 11:26:11 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Pining_4_TX

Now, look at who’s trying to kill grandma!


24 posted on 10/02/2020 1:09:15 PM PDT by EdgeOfDarkness
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