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A Two-Man Debate Turns Into A Free-For-All, But Did Anyone Win?
The Federalist ^ | September 30, 2020 | Christopher Bedford

Posted on 09/30/2020 10:36:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

While Trump failed to land the early blows he seemingly could have, Biden failed to make the case for why he should be president.


The first presidential debate of the 2020 presidential election closed after 96 chaotic, bruising minutes that saw advantages wasted, interruptions abound, a failure by both sides to make a definitive case, and what at times seemed like a three-way fight largely focused on Democratic talking points.

President Donald Trump came out of the gate hard, attempting to knock Vice President Biden on his heels with the kind of comments that have defined his interview style since the 1980s. For the first 20-plus minutes, it worked.

“Right now I am the Democratic Party right now,” Biden asserted. “Not according to [Kamala] Harris,” his opponent replied.

“I beat Bernie Sanders,” the vice president shot back shortly after. “Not by much.”

“There is no manifesto,” the Democrat defended. “You just lost the left.”

The strategy looked like it would succeed, with the president ringing in an early hit on his term lasting four years — not three — and against Biden’s claim that 100 million — or nearly one-third of Americans — have pre-existing health conditions (a definition once meaning they could not get health care but which the media now claims means anything), followed by a steady defense of his Supreme Court nominee.

Trump did not, however, succeed in turning either his initial jabs or Biden’s opening unsteadiness into any kind of firm hit, allowing the Delaware politician to recover with “Would you shut up, man?” and “Keep yappin’, man” — a tactic Biden continued to use to block the one-line jabs.

When the next set of questions kicked off, Biden had regained his composure, launching a stinging attack on the president’s COVID-19 response (the American people “don’t panic — he panicked”) and appealing to those voters who had an “empty chair at their kitchen table” due to the disease. While Trump might have responded with the lack of closure those Americans had because they were not even permitted to bury their dead, instead bickering ensued, often joined by moderator Christopher Wallace, whose early work to keep control of the stage quickly fell before the contestants’ mutual aggression.

This became the pattern for much of the night, with Trump skimming over opportunities on withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accords and the Republican Party’s historic energy policies, and landing only a glancing and defensive hit on California’s failure to manage its forests after year upon year of entirely preventable, uncontrolled fires. The end of the hour saw the president’s first major debate win when he made the strong, sustained case for law enforcement and law and order — once-normal concepts he challenged Biden to say without equivocating — that drew only a tepid, weary defense from the Democrat.

pic.twitter.com/EMFDxIuyJs

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2020

When Biden cited his son Beau Biden’s military service in an attempted broadside on Trump, the president went on full offense, turning a rehearsed win for the Democrat into a defense of his other son, Hunter, who was discharged from the military after testing positive for cocaine — before making millions of dollars dealing with foreign governments.

The final 30 minutes largely played well to Biden’s camp, however. A teased question on Roe v. Wade never appeared (aside from Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s possible impact on the court) — a decided contrast with Wallace’s 2016 Trump vs. Hillary Clinton moderation, when he pressed the Democrat on late-term abortion.

Topics that did appear, however, mischaracterized Trump’s banning of anti-American “critical race theory” as a threat to “racial sensitivity training,” challenged the president on resisting global warming hysteria, called for him to affirm the results of the largest mail-in experiment in American history before it’s finished, and equivocated right-wing militias with Antifa while the former lives in the woods and the latter attacks police and civilians in American cities it occupies.

While Trump failed to land the early blows he seemingly could have, Biden failed to make the case for why he should be president, bogging down instead on criticism of his opponent. When offered the opportunity by Wallace, he notably refused to condemn Antifa, claiming it was “not a group” but rather “an idea.”

“When a bat hits you over the head,” Trump responded in a moment likely to populate Republican ads, “it is not an idea.”

Yep, looks like an "idea" just hit this police officer with a baseball bat. Not an organization at all, totally just an idea. #Debates2020 https://t.co/rPbYXsVrAe

— Mary Vought (@MaryVought) September 30, 2020

Trump continued his closing assault demanding Biden name a single law enforcement group that supported him — a demand the vice president refused, as he’d refused an early push to affirm he would not stack the U.S. Supreme Court. By the end of the 96 minutes, however, it was impossible to feel anything but tired. The country had seen a fight, yes, but no side saw a winner.

The next clash of candidates is scheduled for Oct. 15, moderated by C-SPAN’s Steve Scully, and the final for one week after, moderated by NBC’s Kristen Welker.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2on1; antifa; camelfaceharris; chriswallace; coronavirus; covid19; donaldtrump; joebiden; portland; wuhanflu
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1 posted on 09/30/2020 10:36:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I listened to a bit and I just could not listen anymore of that POS Biden.


2 posted on 09/30/2020 10:41:05 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Kaslin

All Trump did last night was treat Biden like Biden treated
Ryan in their debate.

Everyone was thrilled with Biden back then.

Now they don’t like it so much. LOL

Too bad!

Welcome to karma folks.


3 posted on 09/30/2020 10:41:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some of the folks around these parts have been sniffing super flu.)
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4 posted on 09/30/2020 10:41:58 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Kaslin

That was a three man debate. Anyone pretending otherwise deserves no audience


5 posted on 09/30/2020 10:43:11 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Kaslin
Runaway Trains
6 posted on 09/30/2020 10:46:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: stanne
That was a three man debate. Anyone pretending otherwise deserves no audience

And, Trump still won in a handicap match.

7 posted on 09/30/2020 10:47:18 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: stanne

Well, it was more a one man against two men debate...


8 posted on 09/30/2020 10:49:24 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: Kaslin
Correction: A Two-Man Debate Turns Into A Three-For-All, But Did Anyone Win?
9 posted on 09/30/2020 10:51:57 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: Kaslin
If the debate was a football game:

Trump has the ball. He's broken through the Biden line and is running towards the end zone. He's on the 40. He's on the 35. And referee Wallace tackles Trump at the 32 yard line and calls him for unsportsmanlike conduct for arguing about the tackle.

10 posted on 09/30/2020 10:52:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (In 2016 Obama ended America's 220 year tradition of peaceful transfer of power after an election.)
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To: JBW1949

Yep. Two against one.


11 posted on 09/30/2020 10:57:21 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Kaslin

“Biden” was Wallace’s ventriloquist’s dummy, and the debate was between Trump, Wallace, and the Dummy.

I don’t believe for a minute that Biden didn’t get the questions in advance. He was probably wearing some sort of earpiece as well.


12 posted on 09/30/2020 10:57:27 AM PDT by euram
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To: Kaslin

I didn’t or wouldn’t watch. Nothing either of them could say or do would change my mind. Tooooo much water under the bridge. I am voting for Trump.

Trump could show up in a body cast with his hair on fire and I’d STILL vote for him.

Yes - the Liberals are THAT bad!


13 posted on 09/30/2020 11:00:00 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Barbarism is the absence of standards to which an appeal can be made" Y Gasset)
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To: Kaslin

Trump won hands down. He got Biden to disavow all the left’s pet doctrines, then got Biden to say that Antifa was nothing but an idea.


14 posted on 09/30/2020 11:00:36 AM PDT by carton253 (Jesus is everything.)
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15 posted on 09/30/2020 11:03:34 AM PDT by Boomer (Leftists/Leftism ruins everything it touches.)
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To: Kaslin

It wasn’t a debate. Nobody especially Conservatives should have thought otherwise

This is more like it:
https://youtu.be/ZiIvwWYWLrU


16 posted on 09/30/2020 11:07:27 AM PDT by Ajnin (Don't be a pansy, embrace the fireball.)
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To: stanne

Exactly right. The POTUS did pretty well considering he had to debate TWO libs


17 posted on 09/30/2020 11:07:30 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: Boomer

Chris Wallace no, more like Chris Crowly or Candi Wallace!


18 posted on 09/30/2020 11:09:01 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: carton253

Thats when I turned it off.

When Biden said he is not implementing the Green New Deal and Trump responded: but you put it in writing in the manifesto!, and then Biden says that HE is the democratic party and the Democrat party will do what he says and ‘I am not going to implement it’.

I yelled at the screen; Liar! and then turned the TV off.

How can you fight against such bullshit?


19 posted on 09/30/2020 11:09:07 AM PDT by Toughluck_freeper
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To: Toughluck_freeper

I yelled at the screen; Liar! and then turned the TV off.

How can you fight against such bullshit?

Biden has made a career out of lying so his performance was up to par.


20 posted on 09/30/2020 11:13:50 AM PDT by JayAr36 (My disgust with government is complete.)
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