Posted on 09/29/2020 12:19:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
What you need to know about no-knock warrants in the DMV
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Why does the Department of Motor Vehicles have no knock warrants?
Totally agree, this is bad one. Unfortunately I have read and studied dozens of cases just like this one. It's not rare at all. As a whole our society has really been snookered on the justification of this abuse of power. What is worse is it's being massively covered up as to just how prolific these abuses have become. No knock warrants, Swat teams and the supposed "war on drugs" are the main culprits. We have been head faked in a huge way. People need to start digging into the facts and thinking critically about what we are gaining by allowing the police to act in this manner.
Everyone here wants to back our police. We want police protection and we want the rule of law enforced. That being said we are like a giant society of alcoholics that are in denial. The first step is to admit we have a problem with the Police and their tactics.
Said every criminal everywhere.
I could have typed your response for you. Yup that's it. Flushing all the evidence down the toilet. That may have worked as justification in the 1970's but not today. Not a chance. Now think long and hard for a real reason.
Better yet let me save you the time. There aren't any.
I’d say you don’t know much about how drug dealers operate.
Please quote where I posted I disagreed with the grand juries findings.
Who decided to call that area the DMV? That’s just weird. Nobody likes the DMV who wants to live there.
Ok, tell us how they operate and indicate how that makes it worth the risk continuing to get innocent people and police officers killed.
When it first got approved it was supposed to be under cases of extreme danger. They were outlawed until the 80s, how many cops got killed serving warrants. How many have been killed being served warrants since then. It’s bad math, no knock needs to end.
Before no knock raids got invented they just turned off the plumbing. No flushing then.
I had a number of former drug dealers work for me over the years. I learned a lot of stuff.
In Breanna Taylors situation she lived the thug life. It did not turn out well for her.
Still water in the tank. Good for one good flushing.
Agreed. The source is misquoting the Constitution. Though I am no fan of no-knock warrants at all. Police already have a right to bust in under “exigent circumstances”, meaning, if they hear someone screaming bloody murder or gunshots. Otherwise, I think they need to give ample notice.
The main reason, imo, that NK warrants exist is that the police don’t want the suspects to flush evidence - usually drug evidence - down the drain. NK warrants are a recipe for a shoot-out, and it happens frequently enough that the whole process should be “re-imagined”.
But it doesn’t go anywhere. They turn off both sides. The drugs get soggy but they stay on the property. And honestly the good busts there’s way too much drugs to flush. Can’t flush kilos. Just doesn’t work. Flushing is for penny-anti dime baggers.
Do you understand that heroin, coke etc dissolve in water?
Do you understand that the water stays on the property and can be collected? Really, this practice survived jurisprudence.
Do you know how plumbing works?
Do you think there is a valve on the pipe to the street?
Exactly, at least one flush and more if you have 2 toilets. Or keep a bathtub full of water and plug the drain. As for shutting off the water, not sure you can do that so easily in apartment buildings. And either way the time it takes to do, the police are already basically announcing their presence by sneaking around the pipes or opening the street covers, leaving themselves exposed.
The drug problem is a demand problem not a supply problem; fighting the suppliers may be legal but it isn’t great public policy imo. Especially busting low level types. OK, flipping a low level dealer to find out the big importers might be a decent strategy... except when you bust down doors of a drug dealer you lose all leverage since everyone in the neighborhood knows the dealer got raided he isn’t going to turn rat.
I do know how plumbing works. And actually there ARE valves to cut off the water flow on a property, both in the inbound and sewage. These are important valves both for non payment and dealing with breakage. Keeping in mind the cops are the cops after all and get to tell the water department what to do. None of what I’m telling you is new. Cutting off the water before a drug bust was common practice in the 80s.
Yes it is true, they find the residue in the pipes and bowls etc. You could probably flush a couple of kilos but not many kilos. If you are moving many kilos, you probably don’t live in some run down apartment. Maybe you store your stuff in one and let your underlings take most of the risk.
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