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To: MacNaughton

I’m not so sure. While I don’t believe this is a prelude to unicorns, skittles and flying pigs with heavenly choirs proclaiming eternal peace, I do think this is more than just taqqiya. There’s a lot of the younger set over there that not only were educated in the West, but due to the Internet have Western friends and increasingly a more Western mindset, with all that that entails. Note that this king was convinced by the younger set to let women drive in 2017 and is (for Saudi Arabia) Westernizing at a breakneck pace, with his son starting to literally kill the old fundamentalist arsehats.


11 posted on 09/25/2020 5:05:44 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Strategically, they also need to diversify their economy far beyond oil, and provide job opportunities for that big demographic wave of young adults.

The proposed new high technology and resort city of Neom, that the Crown Prince wants to develop as the flagship of this effort, is just a few miles across the water from the Egyptian resort of Sharm El Sheik, and just a 2 1/2 hour drive down the coast from the Israeli resort of Eilat. Major Saudi planning and investment is focused on developing that city, and its surrounding Province of Tabuk - the closest to Israel (under an hour’s drive from Eilat).

Also, Israel can rapidly provide a route for pipeline exports to Europe for the Saudis (much cheaper than tankers through the Sues Canal), that avoids the threat of Iran shutting the Straits of Hormuz, by refurbishing the existing Trans Arabian Pipeline (Tapline), and building a spur from the Golan Heights down to the Port of Haifa (or some new terminal facility).

Israel could also potentially provide a nuclear umbrella deterrent to the Iranians on day one - in time to defend them, should a pro-Iran Biden Admin take power, and throw the Saudis to the wolves, like Obama/Biden did to Iraq.


14 posted on 09/25/2020 12:02:30 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Spktyr
11 I’m not so sure. ... I do think this is more than just taqqiya. There’s a lot of the younger set over there that not only were educated in the West, but due to the Internet have Western friends and increasingly a more Western mindset, with all that that entails. Note that this king was convinced by the younger set to let women drive in 2017 and is (for Saudi Arabia) Westernizing at a breakneck pace, with his son starting to literally kill the old fundamentalist arsehats.

You posted a hopeful persuasion with which some conservatives agree.

1. Pat Robertson thinks the internet is the West's best hope for defanging Islam.
2. Michael Youssef's Christian ministry to Muslims in the Middle East over KINGDOM SAT.

My observations ...

1. Iran's Mullahs' have kept their young people suppressed. Red China is Iran's newest ally. Shia Islam isn't going away.
2. Islam has been practicing jihad against its enemies for 1396 continuous years. That culture is not going away.
3. KSA is still funding jihad in North Africa, Europe, and North America.
4. Do you see the Muslims in Europe, the U.S. Congress, or CAIR softening?
5. The only radical Islam is the small minority that does not practice jihad by $/ word/ sword. Islam cannot be reformed to be more peaceful.
6. Pope Francis' attempts from last year and now to foster brotherhood among the Abrahamic faiths is doomed to failure. The Qu'ran considers "the people of the book", ie., Jews and Christians, to be kafir/ infidels.
7. 7/26/2020 - UAE ruler demands ‘the return of the Mosque of Córdoba’ after Hagia Sophia conversion

15 posted on 09/25/2020 1:30:38 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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