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Posted on 09/23/2020 2:50:26 PM PDT by Jyotishi

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1 posted on 09/23/2020 2:50:26 PM PDT by Jyotishi
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Wow. So many vaccines. So many people. I wonder if someone can come up with a way to track all this and make sure everyone in the world is vaccinated? /s


2 posted on 09/23/2020 2:54:55 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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The article is dated September 21, 2020.


3 posted on 09/23/2020 3:04:03 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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Vaccines are unnecessary. Better and safer to stick with hydroxychloroquine and zinc, and budesonide.


4 posted on 09/23/2020 3:06:27 PM PDT by captain_dave
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The implications of manipulating access to essential drugs, particularly HIV-AIDS ones in developing countries, due to bulk purchasing power of richer nations and honouring of pharmaceutical patents, are already known.


‘Manipulating access’, by paying for development and then buying them.


5 posted on 09/23/2020 3:06:28 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: captain_dave

What happened to Vit “D” and “C”?


6 posted on 09/23/2020 3:08:01 PM PDT by Osage Orange (TRUMP!!!)
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To: Seruzawa
Oh boy. Next they can make a vaccine for the common cold 🤮
7 posted on 09/23/2020 3:09:53 PM PDT by airborne (I don't always scream at the TV but when I do it's hockey season!)
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To: Jyotishi

I for one would not rush out to get the vaccine!

Why Are Moderna Executives Dumping Their Stock?
STORY AT-A-GLANCE -VACCINE FAILURE

• Results from Moderna’s Phase 1 human trial revealed the 100-mcg dose vaccine — which had a 100% side effect ratio after the second dose — is proceeding to Phase 3 trial assessment

• Moderna has no legal rights to a key patent for its vaccine delivery system. Moderna sought to invalidate the patent for lipid nanotechnology owned by Arbutus Biopharma but lost the challenge at the end of July 2020
• Executives at Moderna have cashed in stock options, raking in about $90 million in personal profits since January. Two Moderna executives have now sold off all of their stock holdings in the company, and its general counsel has sold nearly all of hers

• AstraZeneca has temporarily halted its Phase 3 vaccine trials due to “a suspected serious and unexpected adverse reaction” in a British participant

• AstraZeneca did not divulge the nature of the adverse reaction, but an anonymous source claims the trial participant was found to have transverse myelitis, an inflammatory condition that affects the spinal cord and is frequently triggered by viral infections

The U.S. Health and Human Services’ Operation Warp Speed has pledged to deliver 300 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine by 2021,1 if not sooner.2 However, developing a safe and effective vaccine normally takes years and begins with animal studies. The COVID-19 vaccines are all being rushed straight into human clinical tests, forgoing lengthy animal trials altogether.
Such fast-tracked vaccines pose unknown risks, which are further magnified since governments are granting COVID-19 vaccine makers immunity from liability for all vaccine injuries and deaths that occur after the vaccines are recommended (or mandated) by public health officials.3
At the end of July 2020, AstraZeneca announced4 most countries it expects to supply with COVID-19 vaccine will grant the pharmaceutical company complete liability protection if people are harmed.

In the U.S., vaccine makers already have something of a “free pass” when it comes to vaccine injury liability and lawsuits through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 19865 and the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act, passed in 2005.6

The main concern is that the combination of COVID-19 vaccines being fast-tracked to market at “warp speed” with minimal testing, together with blanket liability protection against vaccine injuries could be a public health nightmare in the making.
Problems With Moderna’s Vaccine Are Becoming Apparent
Early warning signs that something might be amiss have already started emerging. As detailed in “Gates Tries to Justify Side Effects of Fast-Tracked Vaccine,” results7 from Moderna’s Phase 1 human trial revealed 100% of volunteers in the high-dose group suffered systemic side effects. Side effects included fatigue, chills, headache and myalgia (muscle pain); 21% suffered “one or more severe events.”
According to Bill Gates, those side effects are largely due to the high dosages Moderna had to use in order to achieve desired antibody levels. But, if high dosages are required to create a robust-enough immune response, and higher dosages also cause systemic side effects in nearly all people, just how safe will this vaccination campaign be?
In the 20 years that vaccine makers have tried to develop a coronavirus vaccine, efforts have failed due to dangerous, many times lethal, side effects.

In July, it was reported8 that the 100-mcg dose vaccine — despite its 100% side effect ratio after the second dose — would proceed to Phase 3 trial assessment. In a May 26, 2020, article9 in STAT news, Ian Haydon, one of the Phase 1 study participants who suffered severe side effects requiring hospitalization, stated that while he recovered, the inoculation left him feeling “as sick as he’d ever felt.” As noted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:10
“Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high dose cohort (250 mcg) suffered a ‘serious adverse event’ within 43 days of receiving Moderna’s jab. Moderna … acknowledged that three volunteers developed Grade 3 systemic events defined by the FDA as ‘Preventing daily activity and requiring medical intervention.’
Moderna allowed only exceptionally healthy volunteers to participate in the study. A vaccine with those reaction rates could cause grave injuries in 1.5 billion humans if administered to ‘every person on earth.’ That is the threshold that Gates has established for ending the global lockdown.

Moderna did not explain why it reported positive antibody tests for only eight participants. These outcomes are particularly disappointing because the most hazardous hurdle for the inoculation is still ahead; challenging participants with wild COVID infection.
Past attempts at developing COVID vaccines have always faltered at this stage as both humans and animals achieved robust antibody response then sickened and died when exposed to the wild or mutated virus.”


As an afterthought, keep in mind that there is always BHT which has been around for better than thirty years, was patented (US4350707) because it kills lipid covered viruses and corona viruses fall in this category and has little to no known side effects.


8 posted on 09/23/2020 3:11:40 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: Osage Orange

Too readily available and cheap.
Add Zinc to that as well.


9 posted on 09/23/2020 3:20:53 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Osage Orange

The vitamins are important too, but I was only mentioning the drugs necessary to address the immediate illness. Vitamins and proper nutrition are important for maintaining and improving health


10 posted on 09/23/2020 3:22:02 PM PDT by captain_dave
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To: Jyotishi

America First.


11 posted on 09/23/2020 3:25:55 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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Whoever wants can have mine because I won’t be taking it.


12 posted on 09/23/2020 3:27:30 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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The vaccine industry is a vulture


13 posted on 09/23/2020 3:44:00 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump Pence II! Save America again)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Absolutely America first! President Trump has made certain of that.

And for anyone trying to spread FEAR about these vaccines, know two things:

1) Each is going through all the normal phase 1, phase 2, and phase 3 clinical trials. Tens of thousands of closely monitored volunteers are taking them for months. Nothing is being rushed. Approvals will only come when a candidate has proven it is safe and effective.

2) THIS IS A CENTRAL PART OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REELECTION CAMPAIGN.

The vaccines are how President Trump flips the script on the Democrats’ months of fearmongering and overhyping COVID-19. That’s why the Democrats are now claiming the vaccines are “rushed” and “dangerous” and “politicized”.

So all of you spreading FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, and DOUBT about the vaccines, understand you are spouting DEMOCRAT TALKING POINTS and UNDERMINING PRESIDENT TRUMP.

Who’s side are you on exactly? Make your own choice about your own health. If you don’t want a vaccine, DON’T GET ONE. Nobody cares. But don’t go spearing a bunch of crap to scare people. The last thing President Trump needs is you people spreading lies about the vaccines he’s working to bring to market in the US.


14 posted on 09/23/2020 3:45:03 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: airborne
Oh boy. Next they can make a vaccine for the common cold

I'm sure Phuck-shi will get right on that, as soon as he finishes with Coronavirus, Ebola, H1N1, AIDS, etc., etc. ....

15 posted on 09/23/2020 3:50:46 PM PDT by AFB-XYZ (Option 1 -- stand up. Option 2 -- bend over.)
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No worries! This wealthy country citizen and his family will not be getting a COVID-19 Vaccine, or any upcoming vaccines. Our religion compels us. The 3rd World can have all of ours!


16 posted on 09/23/2020 4:20:14 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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Which of the upcoming Covid-19 vaccines are NOT developed using aborted fetal cells?


17 posted on 09/23/2020 4:22:30 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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The ones being developed by Novavax, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), and Sinovac, are using ethically-derived cell lines.

https://www.pop.org/which-covid-19-vaccines-are-being-developed-with-fetal-cell-lines-derived-from-aborted-babies/


18 posted on 09/23/2020 4:24:42 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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It’s a good thing we have a test to detect the Covid-19 virus. Otherwise most people would get headaches and loss of taste for three days without knowing why! Now...where did I set my zinc and gin and tonic


19 posted on 09/23/2020 4:28:37 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: AFB-XYZ

We have vaccines for H1N1 and Ebola.

Coronavirus is a family of viruses. 7 of them are known to infect humans. SARS-CoV-1 (SARS 2003) had viable vaccine candidates produced that made it through phase 1 and phase 2 human trials. The disease burned out before the (very expensive) phase 3 trials began, so those never got funded. MERS-CoV (MERS 2012) was the same story as SARS 2003. Vaccine candidates developed, made it through phase 1 and 2, no funding for phase 3. SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is another coronavirus. Multiple vaccine candidates nearing the end of phase 3 trials right now. Probably have 2-5 approved before the end of the year.

The other 4 coronaviruses known to infect humans are among the over 200 viruses from multiple viral families which cause the “common cold”. There’s no vaccine coming because it would cost a fortune to develop and test a vaccine for over 200 different viruses. Nobody’s going to pay $20,000 a year for a vaccine that just prevents getting a cold. People would rather just get a cold.

HIV is a difficult case mainly because the immune system largely ignores it and HIV is extremely adept at hiding from the immune system when a reaction does take place. All a vaccine does is show the immune system what a pathogen looks like so the immune system can trigger the process for building lasting immunity. If the immune system doesn’t react to the pathogen in the first place, and if the immune system can’t find and kill the pathogen because of how it hides, then a vaccine is pretty difficult to manage. Add to that HIV’s incredibly unstable genome, and you start to see why we’ve gone this long without a working vaccine.


20 posted on 09/23/2020 4:31:51 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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