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Fact checking the fact checkers: Trump does indeed plan to destroy Social Security
The Hill ^ | Sept 10, 2020 | Nancy Altman

Posted on 09/10/2020 2:55:35 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

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To: where's_the_Outrage?

>>Donald Trump’s nonstop lies, together with his endless cries of “fake news” and “hoax,” make the role of media fact checkers more important than ever.

Stop being fake news

How many examples of fake photos, fake quotes, staged exploding gas tanks, forged memos, FBI planted “news” items to propel investigations, etc do we need to put on display to show that the MSM is thoroughly dishonest in covering “news”?


41 posted on 09/10/2020 3:42:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: Thommas

Ask Dan Ratherbiased and HBO

They called the documentary about the forged Waco national guard memos “TRUTH”.


42 posted on 09/10/2020 3:42:56 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: Olog-hai

Does it get a prostate exam or Pap smear?


43 posted on 09/10/2020 3:45:03 PM PDT by gasport (Vote Democrat . . . Win stupid stuff)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyaltman/#201616d48b4f

https://socialsecurityworks.org/2017/04/18/nancy-altman/

Ms. Altman is the author of The Battle for Social Security: From FDR’s Vision to Bush’s Gamble (John Wiley & Sons, 2005) and The Truth About Social Security: The Founders’ Words Refute Revisionist History, Zombie Lies, and Common Misunderstandings (Strong Arm Press, 2018).

She is also co-author of Social Security Works! Why Social Security Isn’t Going Broke and How Expanding It Will Help Us All (The New Press, 2015).

She has shared her Social Security expertise on numerous television and radio shows, including PBS NewsHour, MSNBC, and FOX News. She has published op-eds in dozens of newspapers including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and USA Today.


44 posted on 09/10/2020 3:45:24 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: Thommas

NEWS FLASH, the rats already destroyed it, the pot is empty because of them and now SOCIAL SECURITY IS PART OF THE BUDGET


45 posted on 09/10/2020 3:49:56 PM PDT by ronnie raygun ( Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.")
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To: Olog-hai

She’s Cute!
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46 posted on 09/10/2020 3:53:18 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (TRUMP, the Other guy lives in a Basement!)
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To: GreyFriar

> 4) this was perhaps 30-40 years ago.

The Old Grey Whore has been lying against America since before our entry into WW2. It’s just become possible to notice now that there are faster alternatives where the people can find and distribute the truth faster than the journalists can bury it.


47 posted on 09/10/2020 3:56:09 PM PDT by No.6
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not reported widely at the time, at least not from the “6 per cent angle”:

18 Apr 2016: Associated Press: Poll: Just 6 percent of people say they trust the media
by CAROLE FELDMAN & EMILY SWANSON
Trust in the news media is being eroded by perceptions of inaccuracy and bias, fueled in part by Americans’ skepticism about what they read on social media.

Just 6 percent of people say they have a lot of confidence in the media, putting the news industry about equal to Congress and well below the public’s view of other institutions. In this presidential campaign year, Democrats were more likely to trust the news media than Republicans or independents.

Faced with ever-increasing sources of information, Americans also are more likely to rely on news that is up-to-date, concise and cites expert sources or documents, according to a study by the Media Insight Project, a partnership of The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and the American Press Institute...

The poll shows that accuracy clearly is the most important component of trust.
Nearly 90 percent of Americans say it’s extremely or very important that the media get their facts correct, according to the study. About 4 in 10 say they can remember a specific incident that eroded their confidence in the media, most often one that dealt with accuracy or a perception that it was one-sided...

“The most important thing that news organizations can do is be accurate, and while we know that is a high value, this study reinforces that,” said Margaret Sullivan, public editor of The New York Times...

The most important factor in determining trust: whether or not they know the original source of the story...

The poll of 2,014 adults was conducted Feb. 18-March 21 with funding from the American Press Institute. It used a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.

Respondents were first selected randomly using address-based sampling methods, and later interviewed online or by phone.
https://apnews.com/28536e4702ac443fb36b991891df1503/poll-just-6-percent-people-say-they-trust-media


48 posted on 09/10/2020 3:58:54 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: MAGAthon

the WaPo spin, minus the “6 per cent”:

24 Apr 2016: WaPo The Fix: The ‘nasty effect,’ and why Donald Trump supporters mistrust the media
By Callum Borchers
The obvious answer is that Trump’s backers don’t trust the media. But that’s a very superficial explanation. Most Americans — not just Trump fans — say they don’t trust the media to report the news fully, accurately and fairly, according to Gallup...

Here’s a theory: Trump backers feel personally offended by coverage that suggests they must be stupid to support him. Insulted, they refuse to accept information presented by media outlets that disrespect them...

A study published this week by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and the American Press Institute suggests that insulting news consumers is indeed a major problem. In a survey of more than 2,000 people, 38 percent said “yes” when asked, “Have you ever had an experience with a news and information source that made you trust it less for any reason?”
What were the reasons? Factual errors and perceived biases were the top answers...

Now, for the most part, news outlets don’t explicitly say Trump supporters are morons. (Though the Huffington Post recently diagnosed a new “syndrome” known as STUPID: Support for Trump’s Unreal Policies Infecting the Dumb. But that was an exception. And it was a joke. I think.)

More common are stories that cite the low education levels of many Trump backers. As I’ve noted before, such articles have referred to Trump voters as “downscale,” “relatively ignorant” and “uninformed.”

There are subtle digs, too. Reports that characterize Trump as a “con artist” — one of Marco Rubio’s favorite labels for the real estate magnate — also imply something about his fans. After all, who falls for a con? Gullible dopes, of course.

And how many times have journalists (including this one) written some variation of this sentence?

“Trump’s latest misstep should erode his base of support, but it probably won’t.”...

But it’s easy to see how such statements could be interpreted differently:

“If Trump supporters were smart, they would ditch him at this point. But they’re not, so they won’t.”...

Fox News Channel’s Howard Kurtz summarized the problem perfectly this week in an interview with the Wrap: “I think it’s pathetic for news organizations that don’t like a particular candidate to slime the candidate’s supporters. It gives fuel to those who think we are a bunch of arrogant elitists.”

Intentional or not, critical Trump coverage often does “slime” his supporters in a way that tough reporting on other candidates does not. Whether you call it the “nasty effect,” “motivated reasoning,” or something else, the media have offended Trump voters, and they’re not listening to what we say. How related those two things are is up for debate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/24/the-nasty-effect-and-why-donald-trump-supporters-mistrust-the-media/


49 posted on 09/10/2020 4:00:02 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: MAGAthon

from the AP 2016 piece:

” In this presidential campaign year, Democrats were more likely to trust the news media than Republicans or independents”

and that’s why they thought Hillary would win?


50 posted on 09/10/2020 4:01:16 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

I find it absolutely astonishing that people believe “fact checkers”. Who do they think they’re believing? Some form of “God media”? It’s JUST MORE MEDIA.

Oh, you don’t trust the media? Well then, go to the “fact checkers” to find out the “real truth” ;p

They just omit facts, include the ones they want, and come to an ideologically determined conclusion. It’s just another layer to the lies.

I’ve heard people say, “the media lies, but I checked with the FACT CHECKERS”!?!?!?! SMH...and they believe they’re enlightened!!


51 posted on 09/10/2020 4:07:13 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: SaveFerris

Just remember, she is the THIRD person in line for the nuclear codes.

That ought to give pause.


52 posted on 09/10/2020 4:09:42 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“...as we know it” Could it be he thinks finding a more solvent approach to making sure the program stays fiscally healthy is a valid change?


53 posted on 09/10/2020 4:10:07 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: MAGAthon

“the media have offended Trump voters, and they’re not listening to what we say.”

Those two statements, separately, are correct. However, the reason we don’t listen is that you lie constantly. FOAD, scumbag.


54 posted on 09/10/2020 4:10:19 PM PDT by dsc (We are competing against Soros money poured onto a hive mentality.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

This is pathetic, even for The Hill. Something is terribly wrong in the connections in Nancy’s head (notice I didn’t say brain, cause there ain’t one).


55 posted on 09/10/2020 4:11:12 PM PDT by falcon99 (qu)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

There are only a couple of actual news sites that just state facts. Everything else is opinion right or left although the left has a superior advantage on the BS.


56 posted on 09/10/2020 4:14:38 PM PDT by maddog55 (Only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it.)
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To: Olog-hai
😲😨😝 That's a man, Baby!
57 posted on 09/10/2020 4:19:39 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The democrat wing of the CPUSA is in full pandemic mode


58 posted on 09/10/2020 4:21:37 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The Democrat propaganda machine has use. this stupid lie for at least 50 years !!! Is there’s anybody buying this crap anymore???

If you are are you planning a democrat at all for any reason , please just don’t vote !! thanks!


59 posted on 09/10/2020 4:22:13 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump pence II! Furthermore if they)
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To: GreyFriar
"4) this was perhaps 30-40 years ago."

I would say more like 40-50 years ago. That was the time frame in which "I" quit giving it any credence. And in the intervening years, it has only gotten worse.

60 posted on 09/10/2020 4:22:20 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (No Longer Tolerating Trolls!)
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