Posted on 08/30/2020 9:38:45 AM PDT by BeauBo
NORTH AMERICAN animals
SOUTH AMERICAN animals
When I saw the title I thought it mean human and drug traffickers, they’re worse than animals.
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The animals will adapt!
“Animals live within a myriad of constraints.”
The geology of the earth is constantly changing due to nature. The course of rivers change due to erosion, forests are burned and return as meadows, glaciers advance and retreat, sea levels rise and fall, prairies turn to desert, swamps drain, mountains rise and then erode away, rivers create deltas of new land, and volcanos erupt destroying thousands of acres of land. Not to mention the occasional cosmic impact of a meteor or comment that changes the earth’s geology and climate for eons. The animals living in as these natural event occur adapt or become extinct. Given the size and scale of planet Earth, the impact of the border wall on animal life and movement is minimal compared to Nature’s handwriting on the planet.
I see that look on a cows face when I build a new fence. After a week or so they act like the fence was always there.
So once again environmentalists wanting to have their say in the Wall going up ...needlessly.
So once again environmentalists wanting to have their say in the Wall going up ...needlessly.
Well, duh. The border wall is to keep the animals out. Look at any barrio in America and you’ll get my drift.
These same people are the ones who predicted that Monarch butterflies would be devastated and wiped out by a border wall. Monarchs don't live near the border, they migrate across it and the wall does not restrict or inhibit them in way shape or form.
The design of the wall has open space for viewing and these open spaces allow all but a handful of desert species to pass through the without any difficulty if they so choose.
about the only native desert species that cannot pass through the wall are Javalina, Mule and White Tail deer, antelope, Mexican wolf, maybe a huge coyote but doubtful, coyotes alway seem to find a way, mountain lions , very large desert tortise and that's about it. Maybe a bighorn sheep but they probably are not going to be able to put a wall up on bighorn's rugged mountain habitat. The desert simply does not support that may large species of wild life
If I missed any that anyone can add to the list feel free to chime in. There simply just not enough species large animals in the region and the population density of those large animals is not that great to have any impact.
Of these species, none are migratory in nature and the border wall will not impact their lives in a substantially negative way that they cannot adjust to. Most of the larger species already have adjusted just fine to life with barb wire and chain link fences on land and and cattle guards across roadways that restrict their free movement
We have a couple of centuries of practicle experience of fencing off the desert and there is simply no significant ecological impact.
There may be a few isolated incidents where there is a preferred water source like a stock tank or shelter habitat on one side of the fence that impacts a small population of deer or mountain lion or two, but these would be isolated incidents
The dirty little secret is that the wildlife of the border region is already pretty much wiped out by habitat destruction due to illegal aliens traffic and due to illegals killing any large animals they find for foo, or simply killed just for the fun of it. Desert tortoises have been hit especially hard by the illegals and their populations on the border areas have been severely impacted. You just don't see them much anymore - especially the big ones.
Probably not going to hear much about that one from the Southwest Center for Biodiversity, just like their silence on the entire devastation and pollution of the fragile desert ecosystems by the millions of illegals crossing the Nogales sector of the border.
In fact, given the willful silence of the so called environmentalists to the wholesale ecological destruction of the desert habitat and it's wildlife by the millions illegal aliens trekking across the desert on the border, the wall is going to be a net ecological boon to the environment and ,once the trash and pollution from the illegal traffic is cleared up, the fragile desert ecosystems my finally have a chance to recover and regenerate.
The lying BS spewed by these agenda driven Marxist Progressives masquerading as environmentalists is frankly offensive and an insult to our intelligence.
Grew up on a ranch on the border, BTW. Have a bit of practical experience on this topic and the whole idea is absurd.
It’s really a shame what illegal immigration finally
result in, but the same brain-fried idiots who championed
illegal immigration, are the ones who caused this.
Let that sink in Lefties...
Looks like the same terrain on both sides.
So we’ll have Mexican critters and American critters. Big deal. I think birds are the only critters that really need to migrate and they can fly over.
For those who recall when the Alaska pipeline was being proposed the enviros and the left said it would be devastating to the caribou and other wildlife but it turned out the heat given off by the pipeline meant animals huddled near it. They apparently loved the pipeline. Have not heard a peep about the Alaska pipeline hurting animals since.
Illegal alien traffic has been devastating the desert environment for decades and much of the desert wildlife has been wiped or or displaced by the huge volumes of people trekking the desert.
According to Arizona Department of Environmental Quality and AZ BLM’s Southern Arizona Project plan the most effective way to prevent illegal alien habitat destruction is to -
” According to an official at the Bureau of Land Management's Arizona State Office, these pickups were previously part of a larger state-funded project called the Southern Arizona Project, which was started by BLM 13 years ago. The project's stated goals were “to provide a safe and secure environment for the public, employees, and users of public lands, to protect public land resources and values from the effects of smuggling, and to coordinate and collaborate with others working on border safety, security, and environmental protection.” To achieve these goals, the project took a number of pro-environmental steps, including:
Building physical barriers to prevent smuggling in Arizona's national monuments such as the Sonoran Desert National Monument and Ironwood Forest National Monument;
Strengthening partnerships with local law enforcement agencies to protect public safety along the monuments;
Restoring the desert land from soil erosion as a result of smugglers crossing;
Converting windmill-powered watering sites for endangered animals, which are often vandalized by smugglers and illegal entrants, into sunken troughs that are more accessible to animals than humans, also decreasing competition for water
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and Collecting trash along the border.”
https://cis.org/Sussis/Trash-Border-Highlights-Environmental-Cost-Illegal-Immigration
Thinking the Trump Wall qualifies as “Building physical barriers to prevent smuggling in Arizona's national monuments such as the Sonoran Desert National Monument and Ironwood Forest National Monuments”.
Why should National Monuments and Wilderness preserves ( ironically best solution was for wilderness preserves to be protected by walls to achieve their goal to protect and preserve desert ecosystems BTW) get all the love when the Trump Wall can help protect the entire border ecosystem? No concerns were voiced about the negative environmental impact of physical barriers - they were considered the best solution to ecological and habitat destruction. This was an Obama Era program, FWIW.
The study below gives a good introduction on how the ecological destruction of the desert on both sides of the border due to illegal alien traffic is devastating the habitat and populations of the the multitude of smaller wildlife species that can easily pass through the Trump Wall with no hindrance. This is where the real destruction of habitat and wild life is occurring - the larger animals are mobile enough to evacuate the zones flooded with destructive illegal alien traffic, but this is the place the little guys call home and they have no place else to go.
https://www.esf.edu/efb/lomolino/courses/MammalDiversity/Disc3/All-read.pdf
The enviro activists could care less about the 99% of the small critters and their ecosystems that the illegals are destroying and that the Trump Wall will protect the wildlife from illegals and give the desert a chance to regenerate the devastated ecosystems and habitat that the smaller wildlife calls home.
Oh, and by the way, in many areas, the Trump Wall replaces existing walls that far more restrictive to wildlife than the new, open architecture design of the Trump Wall, so the new wall either maintains the status quo or actually improves the ability of wild life to cross the border fence.
“The lying BS spewed by these agenda driven Marxist Progressives masquerading as environmentalists is frankly offensive and an insult to our intelligence.”
Well said.
They are not seeking objectively supported policies - just a cover story (”narrative”) that is emotionally appealing enough to give political cover for the clearly destructive act of breaching our security, to benefit their political power long term.
Like Marxism itself, they are just crafting a sweet-sounding lie, useful for them to gain power.
Animals are trained survivalists.
Another clue that proves the truth of your comment is that environazis push fakery, and ignore actual dangers or harm to the environment. Example - what Greta Whatsername “The Littlest Antifa” was everyhwere, another teenager, I think also a Swede, invented some means to dissolve or others detroy plastic. I don’t remember details, maybe you do. But did the enviros attach onto that guy? Not a word.
You can see the borders between Haiti and the Dominican Republic from space.
And between North Korea and its neighbors as well - even more clear after dark.
Where was the outrage when the rioters tortured & kill that raccoon?
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