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'COBOL Cowboys' Aim To Rescue Sluggish State Unemployment Systems
npr ^ | April 22, 2020

Posted on 08/20/2020 7:44:40 AM PDT by 11th_VA

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To: 11th_VA

I didn’t listen. “Learn COBOL, Drill,” they sez, “it’ll still be viable a half century from now when people are carrying little computers in their pockets and cooking with radar sets.” Stupidest thing I ever heard, I sez. I’ll be a prune at that point, I sez. (Sound of sobbing)


21 posted on 08/20/2020 8:16:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The decision to run COBOL and the like an not modernizing is usually an upper management decision, not the IT group.


22 posted on 08/20/2020 8:16:53 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

This. I’ll add “and/or they enjoy getting paid to do effectively nothing, while convincing management they’re essential”.


23 posted on 08/20/2020 8:17:48 AM PDT by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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To: Billthedrill
I didn’t listen. “Learn COBOL, Drill,” they sez, “it’ll still be viable a half century from now when people are carrying little computers in their pockets and cooking with radar sets.” Stupidest thing I ever heard, I sez. I’ll be a prune at that point, I sez. (Sound of sobbing)


24 posted on 08/20/2020 8:19:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: 9YearLurker

I have dabbled in other languages...C#,VB.net,JDE ERP,...even did a little SQLServer DBA...but like Corleone...”they kepp pulling me back!” Best money I am making now is doing the RPG. I am currently building a whole new app set to replace old SYS36 RPG/OCL...


25 posted on 08/20/2020 8:22:54 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: 11th_VA

COBOL isn’t the problem with 50 year old COBOL systems.

The fifty years of spaghetti code, missing documentation, poor architecting, workarounds and edge cases due to mergers and acquisitions, and just general bad decisions piled onto the original system is the problem. That’s what you pay for, a programmer who can get in that crazy mindset and be patient enough to work through it. The COBOL skill is almost a trivial part of it.


26 posted on 08/20/2020 8:23:52 AM PDT by jz638
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To: FreshPrince

So you’re not guilty of the “charge”, but I know some old, COBOL especially, programmers, usually for government, who passed on about three generations of skills updates, were in a precarious position for a number of years—and now are sitting pretty!


27 posted on 08/20/2020 8:24:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: budj

Make it stop! Wait! I can get paid?


28 posted on 08/20/2020 8:28:04 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

After they got past Y2K, they are good to go until the end of the century. One can’t say that about the fad languages that come and go.


29 posted on 08/20/2020 8:29:31 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: FreshPrince

Nope, IT Leadership has proved themselves completely ineffectual for a lot of years. The same people just talk lingo mumbo-jumbo and their correspondence reads like sales brochures.

There are so, so many ways to sell this with a 5 year expense return and it’s all gravy from there on out. They just refuse to act.

Their current crisis speaks for itself.


30 posted on 08/20/2020 8:30:58 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: FreshPrince

It’s been interesting to watch over the last few years as the trend has been away from desktop computing to mainframes (they call them ‘servers’ now) with the desktop being little more than the equivalent of a DEC VT100 terminal (but with color).

Still waiting for desktop punch card machines so we can go back to that.


31 posted on 08/20/2020 8:33:29 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: duckman

The worst piece of code I had to maintain was given to me by a very ‘bright’ and clever programmer that used to modify OP codes in assembler.


But that’s threaded programming. I had to work on 6502 code that would hit opcodes as data and vice versa. I tried to sneak in the opcode change, but it was “suggested” that that might not match with continued employment. I did manage to move the start of the program out of the buffer area, and lengthen the code so it could be disassembled. Did you by any chance inherit code from ‘Mel’?


32 posted on 08/20/2020 8:37:16 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

... year 2000. All those date fields with just two digits.


We just used Y2KY jelly, and voila, room for four digits! Then added regular expressions to COBOL, and automated the whole process. Luckily, we had tests, manual of course.


33 posted on 08/20/2020 8:41:50 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: 11th_VA

Isn’t COBOL more secure because today’s hackers don’t know the language?


34 posted on 08/20/2020 8:44:15 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: PAR35

I’m holding out for paper tape, and drum memory. Vacuum tubes are making a comeback, but primarily in audio”phile” equipment.


35 posted on 08/20/2020 8:45:49 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

100%


36 posted on 08/20/2020 8:48:17 AM PDT by Chode (Send bachelors and come heavily armed.)
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To: 11th_VA

Maybe that is what is wrong with the state of Nevada Unemployment system.

It still isn’t sending out funds.

Friend filed on March 26 or so.

Hasn’t received a dime.


37 posted on 08/20/2020 8:55:41 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: 11th_VA

The average COBOL programmer is like, what, 65 years old now?


38 posted on 08/20/2020 8:58:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: Tai_Chung

It’s more secure because it does not directly run on the internet. It’s generally accessed there by UI programs written in Java.


39 posted on 08/20/2020 8:59:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: PAR35
Still waiting for desktop punch card machines so we can go back to that.

ahh, yes, memories of stacks of punch cards for college programming classes on a DEC 10 (which was obsolete even then). Good times!


40 posted on 08/20/2020 9:00:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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