Posted on 08/17/2020 3:54:52 AM PDT by Kaslin
Viruses gonna virus. Its a phrase Ive seen on Twitter and have often repeated myself in one form or another. These days, its typically used by we COVID-realists to communicate the reality of the situation we face - that of a highly transmissible but relatively mild (for most) virus that long ago broke any sort of realistic containment. Thus, draconian efforts to do so have resulted, in most cases and probably every case by the time this is over, of the virus defeating mans efforts and succeeding in doing what its extremely good at - virusing! Consequently, by kicking against the proverbial pricks, we humans have managed to do far greater damage to ourselves than we ever have to COVID-19, as ongoing reality continues to make clear.
Googling the term, the first reference I could find related to COVID-19 was from Texas State Universitys Dr. Rodney Rohde in early March. Described as a coronavirus expert by UK Metro in an article on the then-emerging threat, Rohde was remarkably accurate even then.
Viruses are going to virus microbes are going to microbe, he said. Once it kind of burns through the population, which is what viruses do, it will meet a collective human immune response. Most of us will live through it with flu-like, mild flu-like or mild cold-like symptoms and recover.
This is pretty much how everyone understood things, even at the beginning when many feared the death rate could be much higher than it turned out to be. The goal was to flatten the curve so hospitals wouldnt be overwhelmed, not to stop cases. Then, what seems like a lifetime ago, it was understood that there was no stopping a highly transmissible virus. Now, I have no idea how Rohde would assess things today, but just looking at the data it sure seems like his early words were accurate, prophetic even. This virus is indeed virusing, burning through populations at a rapid rate. And while efforts to flatten the initial curve and not overwhelm hospitals were probably a good idea, ongoing draconian attempts to not just protect the vulnerable but quash the epidemic entirely seem futile and self-destructive. Here are a few examples that bolster my assessment:
Even CNN, which hasnt yet seen a lockdown or assault on liberty they didnt support whole-heartedly when it comes to keeping people safe from the only thing that apparently causes death these days, called the draconian virus outbreak response in the Philippines the world's toughest coronavirus restrictions. From mid-March to the end of May, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte put areas of his county under a lockdown so tight that violaters were threatened with literally getting shot. Businesses were shuttered. Curfews were imposed. 60-year-olds and above were required to stay home. Mask-wearing and temperature checks were mandatory countrywide. Having completely wrecked their economy and caused untold suffering among its already extremely poor population, the restrictions were somewhat eased in June, with mandatory mask-wearing and softer measures still intact.
What happened? Did the lockdowns stop the virus? Did universal masking prevent the spread? Of course not, because viruses gonna virus. Instead of going away, the countrys 18,000 confirmed cases at the end of May has since jumped to more than 160,000 and are currently growing so fast that health officials, having learned nothing, are demanding another series of punishing lockdowns.
India has become one of the top three global coronavirus hot spots, but it wasnt always so. Back in March, their lockdown was so severe that police were literally caning people who refused to comply. Sure, they managed to keep the virus at bay for a few months, but viruses doing what they do (virusing and all that), cases began to rise as soon as they peeked their noses out. Now, India is experiencing well over 60,000 cases per day, even with a face mask requirement mostly in place since April.
Dont look now, but the virus is surging again in France, Spain, the U.K., and even Germany after what were considered strong initial responses. For months, the media credited Japans near-universal mask-wearing for crushing the virus in that country after a small early wave. Now Japan is facing a new case outbreak significantly larger than before. In the U.S., its hard to imagine any state having stricter lockdown and masking restrictions than California, yet that state has been at or near the top of the nation in cases for weeks. But werent we all told by our all-knowing health officials that if we wore masks for a few weeks it would all be over?
Then there are the cases where the virus just virused and now seems to be for the most part finished virusing. Everyone knows about Sweden, of course, by-and-large finished with COVID after it rampaged through Stockholm early in the pandemic. Had they protected nursing homes better, their deaths per million would likely rival ours, but they are done and back to some semblance of normal life while we continue to wage a winless war. The virus raged through New York and New Jersey for weeks undetected, but were it not for powerful Democrats decisions to stuff nursing homes with infected patients even those death rates may have been manageable. Even so, some degree of herd immunity has likely been achieved. And we cant forget the Sun Belt. On June 20, right as cases were on the good end of the Farr's Law curve in Arizona, Newsweek published a headline that read, "Arizona, Most Anti-Mask State, Sees Coronavirus Cases Fall." Arizona is almost done, folks, and Florida is on the downward spiral as well.
Finally, New Zealands decisive coronavirus response was celebrated worldwide as a model for all, even though comparing a small island nation in the middle of the South Pacific to interconnected continental countries is so absurd that the idiom apples and oranges doesnt come close to applying. Its more like apples and meatloaf. New Zealand had gone 100 days without any spread of the virus and had gone almost entirely back to normal, sans global travel. Then, four mysterious cases arose in Auckland, which quickly became 56 active cases. Where the virus came from is a mystery, but that countrys government is determined to find out and stamp it out.
A mystery and a few cases thats all it took for New Zealand to say goodbye to normalcy, wrote the New York Times. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern immediately announced a new lockdown for Auckland, a city of 1.7 million people, along with a huge testing, contact tracing and quarantine blitz that aims to quash Covid-19 for the second time.
Ardern still considers going hard and early the best course of action, and maybe she will indeed be able to stamp out this second outbreak. But what happens, not if, but when a third outbreak occurs? How about the fourth? We know the answer, of course, because the Chicken Little approach that has so-far carried the day only knows one way to respond. As New Zealanders face another round of indefinite lockdowns and shutdowns over this second small resurgence, 28-year-old financial worker Jeremy Hutton was quoted by the Times as asking what the outlet characterized as a question that seemed to be on the minds of many, Are we just going to keep doing this every couple of months?
Yes, Jeremy, because viruses gonna virus, and most of our leaders are fools.
I look at the charts at world-o-meters and it looks to me like we are on the downward slope of the “second wave” and that second wave was significantly milder than the “first wave”. I suppose we will have a third wave but I bet we wouldn’t even notice it under normal conditions. The media will hype it, but how much traction can you really get by reporting “10 people died yesterday of the disease which is devastating our nation!!!”
In the case of New Zealand, only 22 people total have died out of a population of 5 million. The roller coaster ride of lockdowns appears endless with the current obsession of its woman prime minister. In the meantime, the NZ economy is in shambles and its citizens live in a state of fear created by its “nanny-in-charge” who acts like the obsessed mother of toddlers.
Got that right!Bring Out Your DeadFirst peak about 35K daily cases, 2.7K daily deaths
Second peak about 75k daily cases, 1.5K daily deathsIn really, really round numbers, twice the cases, half the fatalities.
Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the Bring Out Your Dead ping list (formerly the Ebola ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
The false positive rate was 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the Bring Out Your Dead threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
Quarantine the sick. Shield the vulnerable. Free everyone else!
Viruses gonna virus. Its a phrase Ive seen on Twitter and have often repeated myself in one form or another. These days, its typically used by we COVID-realists to communicate the reality of the situation we face - that of a highly transmissible but relatively mild (for most) virus that long ago broke any sort of realistic containment. Thus, draconian efforts to do so have resulted, in most cases and probably every case by the time this is over, of the virus defeating mans efforts and succeeding in doing what its extremely good at - virusing!
First of all, this is not a "relatively mild" virus. It kills one out of thirty people who catch it. I doubt that anyone would ever get in an airplane if they knew that one out of thirty crashes, but somehow, they're okay with letting a virus that kills one out of thirty circulate freely among the population.
In addition, it is not at all true that once a virus gets into a population, there is nothing we can do to stop it. Remember the big Ebola pandemic of 2015 when 40% of the world population died? No, I don't remember that either. That's because a lot of work was done to contain Ebola where the outbreak occurred and the outbreak was eventually ended. Same with SARS. Same with H5N1. Same with H7N9. Same with a lot of other outbreaks. In addition to the sporadic outbreaks, we have eliminated smallpox which once was endemic, and we are on track to eliminate measles and polio, also formerly endemic. It simply is not the case that we have to throw in the towel and allow the viruses to win.
One last thing, and that is the idea that we can just let Covid-19 circulate freely and eventually everyone will be immune. One, immunity against coronaviruses is typically short-lived. We keep getting the common cold, don't we? And about 30% of common colds are caused by coronaviruses. Two, even in the case of viruses like measles that seem to cause lifelong immunity, the disease continues to circulate freely unless we can stop transmission with a vaccine. Measles was around for centuries, as was smallpox, polio, mumps, etc.
Helping to spread misinformation about Covid-19 does not help anyone, and may very well lead to President Biden and Vice President Harris. Yes, the fact that misinformation has taken such firm root on the right is being used against President Trump right now. The ads are already running. And anyone who thinks that Covid-19 is not a primary campaign issue is a fool.
I think “Second Wave” is considered a Fall/Winter type thing...the current “bump” is probably just COVID getting more into the general population after burning thru the nursing homes/older pop.. A vaccine or herd immunity may quell a Fall/Winter “bump/wave”.
bump
Covid is a culling disease, affecting the elderly and sick. Eventually, it runs low on victims by killing them off
Indeed. I don’t want to sound cold, but this is largely a case of old, sick people in nursing homes passing away.
It’s not a new thing.
It’s not an unexpected thing.
And yet people panicked. Really: people were told to panic.
Technically speaking, we are not having "waves" of Covid-19. The outbreak has been continuous, with the spread slowed down by initial quarantine measures, speeded up when those measures were relaxed prematurely, and now being slowed down again since measures were ramped up again.
There are reasons the death rate is lower now than it was a few months ago. One is that there is more care being taken to restrict transmission into nursing facilities that have vulnerable populations. Another is that many clinical trials were initiated to determine the best treatment modalities and pharmaceutical interventions; some have results by now (which should be implemented). I hear ads on the radio all the time asking for Covid-19 survivors to donate plasma to treat current patients, implying that trials to test the use of convalescent serum showed that it helps. A paper that I found recently (Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer) proposes that masks help to reduce the severity of disease by reducing the quantity of virus that one is exposed to. I'm on the fence about this, but it is an intriguing possibility.
One good sign is that new cases are trending downwards again. New cases today were lower than they have been since June 30. I really hope this trend continues; I am so tired of Covid-19 (and the people like the author of this article who downplay it, thus ensuring that it will continue to circulate because people who don't take it seriously won't take precautions).
What?
The survivability rate is more like 99.5% or lower, which is more like one out of 200. And they are mostly nursing home types, with other serious health issues.
That's a far cry from your claim.
https://mytuner-radio.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show-david-knight-1277232870
LISTEN to Thursday August 13, 2020 #731
The SUPEREVIL should be in SUPERMAX awaiting THEIR EXECUTION...not us awaiting ours.
Know the way
40% in facilities last I heard.
We panicked because of this:
And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the United States could require hospitalization,
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html
Late in March, people were willing to err on the side of caution. Millions of people overwhelming hospitals sounded really bad, so we went into two weeks of quarantine.
By mid-April it was quite clear that we had flattened the curve and the hospitals were not going to be overwhelmed.
And here we are 5 months later, still panicking as hard as ever. It’s freaking stupid.
You lost what little credibility you might still have (after all of your other fearbro posts) right there.
Wow.
Right off the bat, you are misinformed. The current estimate from the CDC is 0.26%.
In addition, it is not at all true that once a virus gets into a population, there is nothing we can do to stop it. Remember the big Ebola pandemic of 2015 when 40% of the world population died?
For Ebola one needed to come in direct contact with an infected person's blood, feces and vomit. You cannot compare that to the far more infectious COVID-19.
One last thing, and that is the idea that we can just let Covid-19 circulate freely and eventually everyone will be immune. One, immunity against coronaviruses is typically short-lived.
You don't know that. So far we are half a year out with millions of cases and we have no proven example of what you state.
And there are plenty of signs of long lasting immunity.
Immune T Cells May Offer Lasting Protection Against COVID-19
Scientists See Signs of Lasting Immunity to Covid-19, Even After Mild Infections
Scared That Covid-19 Immunity Wont Last? Dont Be
Helping to spread misinformation about Covid-19 does not help anyone...
Look in the mirror.
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