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California Suffers 2nd Day of Blackouts as Wind, Solar Power Falter
breitbart.com ^ | 8/15/2020 | Joel B Pollak

Posted on 08/16/2020 10:07:21 AM PDT by rktman

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To: crusty old prospector; HombreSecreto

“Where are they going to get the flux capacitor?”

Amazon Prime. Will be delivered tomorrow.


61 posted on 08/16/2020 11:59:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Cloward-Piven is finally upon us.)
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To: mikey_hates_everything

Still trying to figure out how I survived living in Tampa as a kid in the early 50’s with no AC and all that humidity. And mold. There had to have been mold. I can almost smell it now.


62 posted on 08/16/2020 12:01:38 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Da Coyote

You can tell you are in the third world when the leaders are better at making excuses for power outages then they are at making sure the utility can actually produce the necessary power.


63 posted on 08/16/2020 12:06:16 PM PDT by cgbg (Masters don't want slaves talking about masters and slaves.)
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To: rktman

Haha


64 posted on 08/16/2020 12:11:55 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: AlaskaErik
So if this power shortage is caused by increased consumer demand due to the heat wave, why not ban the use of air conditioning, prohibit its installation in new housing and mandate its removal from existing homes. Seems like the perfect totalitarian solution.

Thus the opposition to "smart meters" because the utility will restrict the power to you or I but not wealthy areas nor areas prone to rioting (often with housing subsidized by you and I).

65 posted on 08/16/2020 12:23:16 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Spktyr
The other catch is those reduce the overall efficiency quite a bit. You're charging something that will be used to charge something elese. The only way I could see it working is if he had a duplicate battery for his EV that could be swapped out on a daily basis. But he didn't, of course.

Battery technology has improved a lot but there is still a limit to the number of deep charging cycles a given unit can handle. If you keep your EV for any length of time you may approach those limits, and in any case the recharging efficiency goes down with each cycle. It's just how batteries work. They eat themselves up to keep operating. Other things do too, of course, but in the end it comes down to cost vs. benefit, unless you're doing it as a virtue signal and place value in that.

66 posted on 08/16/2020 12:23:18 PM PDT by chimera
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To: rktman
Of course there's the joke:

"What did Socialists use before candles?"

"Electricity."

67 posted on 08/16/2020 12:26:31 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: rktman

Lol, that made me laugh...but it’s so true too. The universal answers to all problems.


68 posted on 08/16/2020 12:37:55 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Solar, wind the magic onion


69 posted on 08/16/2020 12:44:01 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Mouton

They haven’t looked under the sofa cushions. I bet the 450 MW plant is there.


70 posted on 08/16/2020 1:21:20 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: DownInFlames

Are those caused by playing music at high volume?


71 posted on 08/16/2020 1:22:57 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: rktman

What happened, Captain Planet have the week off?


72 posted on 08/16/2020 1:40:47 PM PDT by Phil DiBasquette
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To: chimera

Thing is, if he did it right, he could theoretically charge his EV and power his house (the latter to some degree, depending on what he’s runnning) with power collected during the day if it was properly constructed and under ideal conditions. Yeah, there are catches, and if anything goes wrong it’s not happening as planned.

I know someone who’s doing exactly this with his home and a Tesla Model 3 here in the Dallas area - but he’s doing it for grid independence and not virtue signaling. His rather large solar array can actually charge his car and run his house relatively easily under most conditions, but he still stays connected to the grid in non-emergency conditions and has a couple of generators on his property as well.


73 posted on 08/16/2020 1:40:49 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rktman

A cagey Texan could probably scam half the population of California by selling them additional electrical boxes. Charge them $50 each (2 outlets per) and give them instructions to mount them on walls next to existing outlets. Electric will flow from the existing outlets to the new ones doubling the available electric and thus eliminating the requirement for rolling outages.


74 posted on 08/16/2020 1:46:07 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Slow Joe Biden is the Bolshevik sock puppet.)
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To: chimera

Also, look into supercapacitors - those don’t have the lifetime cycles like batteries do.


75 posted on 08/16/2020 2:17:27 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

They could, but they shouldn’t - California’s last outage on this scale was blamed on Enron. This time California can’t blame it on anyone but themselves and we really don’t want to give them an out.


76 posted on 08/16/2020 2:18:44 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
Sounds like your guy doesn't have a lot of confidence in going it alone with only solar. Do you know if he got many tax breaks from going this route? Every pitch I have ever heard for solar panels always, always, without fail, makes a big point of the tax incentives you get if you put up solar panels.

My cousin-in-law had the dream of going off-grid when he moved to Hawaii a few years back. Turns out there is not only a tax break, but financial incentives as well, since most of Kauai's power comes from imported petroleum-based fuels, and that makes it comparatively pricey. Anyway, when I went to visit them, all I can say is, it certainly is a different lifestyle. No long, hot showers. Somewhat tepid water and you turn it off when you are lathering and washing, and only turn it on when rinsing. All clothes are washed in cold water. Lighting and other appliances are turned down or off at night. Much of their cooking was done outdoors using wood or charcoal. When I left he mentioned he is negotiating a home equity loan to replace the battery banks on his property as they are about at the end of their useful life. He said he doubts he will break even on cost, but always wanted to try the off-grid lifestyle. Hey, if that's your dream, go for it.

77 posted on 08/16/2020 2:26:55 PM PDT by chimera
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To: rktman

I survived the San Fernando valley in the 60’s with a swamp cooler on the house. right now its 90 at my home in orange county with a fan blowing on me.. turn the ac on after 7 tonight to cool off the house


78 posted on 08/16/2020 2:27:05 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!at)
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To: markman46

Roger that.


79 posted on 08/16/2020 2:35:05 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Spktyr

True, they don’t have that issue as much (millions of cycles compared to hundreds or thousands). But they are on the pricey side, have a significant self-discharge rate, and non-constant voltage output as their charge is drawn off. The self-discharge problem may require significant overbuild if reliability and reserve margin becomes an issue. Just goes to show you, no free lunches.


80 posted on 08/16/2020 3:23:23 PM PDT by chimera
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