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Can We Stomach a Second Shutdown?
townhall ^ | 08/03/2020 | Parissa Sedghi

Posted on 08/04/2020 7:56:53 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27

This is a complicated subject.

The US did not have a “lockdown” in the Western European sense. In France, for example, you could not leave your home to buy food without a police pass, issued for each occurrence, and you would be arrested if you were found on the street without one.

I’m not saying that’s good or bad, but that’s what “lockdown” means.

After nine weeks of actual lockdown, cases in France fell to almost zero. But they are rising again, now that the lockdown is over.

The US never achieved suppression.The US is clearly not ever going to do a “lockdown” in the French sense of the word.

It will be interesting to compare the French resurgence, now starting, with the ongoing transmission in the US.


41 posted on 08/04/2020 8:43:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Think like youÂ’re right, listen like youÂ’re wrong)
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To: frank ballenger

If those poll numbers are true?
More importantly if Biden’s people think they are true Whitmer will be his VP pick. It gives him Michigan, he needs that firebreak.


42 posted on 08/04/2020 8:43:40 AM PDT by Reily
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I’m sorry but anyone who thinks that social distancing is a good idea for the next few years, actually wants to be micro-chipped or thinks that a ‘benevolent’ dictatorship is for the good of humanity, I don’t want to give that point of view any of my energy.
I am a free human being and if you want to stay home, stay home. That’s your sovereign right to choose.
If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. That is your sovereign right to choose.
If you want to avoid large crowds, avoid large crowds. That’s your sovereign right to choose.
I am not required to descend into poverty for YOU.
I am not required to abstain from human contact for YOU.
I refuse to participate in “quarantine life” until there’s an unsafe, untested vaccine released in eighteen months.
I refuse to receive a vaccine to make others feel more safe because that is MY sovereign right to choose!
If you’re convinced the vaccine is safe and effective, you can get it yourself.
Some of you are allowing fear and policies devoid of scientifically accurate data to destroy the country you live in and ruin your life.
We have a constitutional right to take risks. Life is full of bacteria and viruses, many of which spread before symptoms manifest and after they subside.
We have a sovereign right to receive OR refuse vaccines.
The data was inaccurate at best; purposely overblown to justify government overreaction at worst.
Stop allowing the government to destroy:
The food supply;
Small businesses;
Medical autonomy;
Access to healthcare;
Mass gatherings;
Privacy rights;
Our mental health & freedom
When the “new normal” is filled with starvation, depression, suicide, child abuse, domestic violence, imprisonment, governmental spying, and pure DESPERATION, the “virus” is going to look preferable to the world you helped facilitate.
I’m going to turn this around on people from now on. Those who say I’m (or anyone that supports this) putting money over lives by wanting the country back open for business, hear this:
-YOU don’t care about the people who will kill themselves out of hopelessness
-YOU don’t care about small businesses that’ll close their doors (THEIR LIVELIHOOD) permanently
-YOU don’t care about the children/women/men who will be victims of domestic abuse
-YOU don’t care about people defaulting on their mortgages
-YOU don’t care about bills going unpaid by families with ZERO income right now
-YOU don’t care about people wondering where their next meal will come from
-YOU don’t care about the people who will lose their sobriety and slip back into alcoholism
-YOU don’t care about the people who will starve
-YOU support the inevitable looting that’ll take place
-YOU don’t care about anyone who is murdered the longer this shut down goes on
-YOU don’t care about people’s mental health
-YOU don’t care about the children who DO need teachers and educators to guild & educate them
-YOU don’t care about the economy crashing down around us
-YOU DON’T CARE.
-YOU love your shackles
-YOU are pathetic, begging your leaders for MORE shut down and MORE regulations and MORE handouts
I will NOT tolerate another person telling me that I don’t care about lives.
I care about the situation in its entirety.
But YOU don’t care about any of that so...
YOU stay home.
YOU wear a mask.
YOU live in fear.
I on the other hand will not as is my soverign right to choose NOT TO!
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43 posted on 08/04/2020 8:43:53 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: David Chase

There is a treatment for Covid with a 99.9% recovery rate (which is as close to 100% as you are likely ever to get),
presented by many doctors (including Dr. Zelenko).

The disease itself sn’t serious; it’s the body’s reaction to it (overhyping the immune system) that can be fatal. And that reaction can be stopped in its tracks IF hydroxy or some other drugs are administered along with ZINC in the FIRST DAYS when you notice symptoms.

No need for masks, lockdowns, or anything else.


44 posted on 08/04/2020 8:45:55 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
There is a treatment for Covid with a 99.9% recovery rate

When given early, right?

What is the recovery rate from mild (early) COVID without this treatment?

45 posted on 08/04/2020 8:58:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Think like youÂ’re right, listen like youÂ’re wrong)
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To: livius

The latest number I have is a facility rate of 3.4%.

I know the stats and numbers are in question. But I have nothing else to go by. If the CDC was so far off, I can’t imagine Trump or Pence Not addressing it.

Again, I wish I could recall where the article was, I’d post it. It was propaganda free, just factual.

I understand building the immune system is good and needed.

Still, we have a Lab tweaked virus, and if immunity only last for 4 months, that’s a huge problem. Not sure if an altered virus can be predictable.

Not trying to debate you, just thinking out loud I guess.........


46 posted on 08/04/2020 9:25:39 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: livius

And to be blunt about it a whole lot of us would rather die from COVID than continue to live this way.


47 posted on 08/04/2020 9:34:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: livius

‘There will be blood in the streets if they try to lock us up again.’

no there won’t; at least not by the hands of the pliable sheeple...now, the blood of those who offend the so called karens by not wearing The Mask, yes, that may be on the streets...


48 posted on 08/04/2020 9:36:07 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: CondorFlight

The number I have is a 3.4% fatality rate, however I’m aware of the stats being in dispute. I must assume if the CDC was that far off Trump, or Pence would speak up.

I agree with most of what your saying.

The problem is, the treatments are now up in the air.

HCQ is rejected by some Health Care Systems and accepted by others.
Some Docs believe in it, some won’t prescribe it.

Until the Health Care Systems (Hospitals and Assoc. Doctors) are ordered to use it, we will constantly have a gap and infected people.

Also, let’s not forget the vaccine.........already, before and testing is completed we have a huge segment of people saying they’ll refuse it.

My real concern is not contracting Covid-19 myself, my concern is living with this crap for years. Ya know?

Years of sudden lockdowns.
Mask.
Unreliable economy.


49 posted on 08/04/2020 9:37:13 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: Jim Noble

Germany and Spain are surging now too.

Along with monitoring France, as you pointed out, I wonder how many if any are becoming re-infected. If the antibodies truly hold.


50 posted on 08/04/2020 9:39:50 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: Jim Noble

‘I’m not saying that’s good or bad, but that’s what “lockdown” means.’

if you aren’t certain that this meaning of ‘lockdown’ is bad, then I don’t know what to tell you, bud...


51 posted on 08/04/2020 9:42:01 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Craftmore

‘I on the other hand will not as is my soverign right to choose NOT TO!’

this needs to be posted on all the local Facebook pages that have been excoriating freedom lovers for the past five months...


52 posted on 08/04/2020 9:46:38 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: David Chase

‘Germany and Spain are surging now too.’

as breathless as you are in reporting this, I might suspect you’re the top of the hour FoxNews babe...


53 posted on 08/04/2020 9:58:59 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: discostu; central_va
Not reading your stupid worthless crap today.

Oh goody, does that mean you won't be posting your equally worthless cr@p?

54 posted on 08/04/2020 10:39:14 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Craftmore
I am not required to descend into poverty for YOU.
I am not required to abstain from human contact for YOU.

If only that were true, it isn't, depending on where you reside you can go to jail for holding those beliefs. The Constitution is no more protection than a restraining order against a murderous spouse at the door with a gun.

55 posted on 08/04/2020 10:51:48 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Certainly this letter is well-intentioned,...

No it's not.

56 posted on 08/04/2020 12:47:52 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: central_va; All
Been saying the same thing since almost the beginning. What better way to ruin the best economic conditions ever than to shut it down on purpose?

Social distancing is not even a medical standard. It's made up. Wearing a mask is not going to save people. Washing your hands and keeping them out of your nose, eyes and mouth is probably your best protection.

Lockdowns have increased the deaths, not reduced them. Testing people and calling them "new cases" when they test positive is disingenuous if they aren't showing symptoms or are not sick

Coding every single malady that walks in the door of a hospital or clinic as Covid-19 does not means deaths from the virus are going up. It means the system is manipulating the numbers to make it appear like the number of deaths are rising.

I would bet that at least 50,000 of the 155,000 deaths so far are not from the virus but from intentional coding errors.

We have been played people. This is an intentional efforts to control the population and get them used to being told what to do.

Trying to get rid of Trump by ruining the economy is the primary goal of this big lie.

Prove me wrong.

57 posted on 08/04/2020 6:23:28 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: ChicagoConservative27

No, the economy will crash and we will be facing starvation.


58 posted on 08/05/2020 9:27:57 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: MustKnowHistory

True!


59 posted on 08/05/2020 9:28:42 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: central_va

True. You can’t keep an entire nation locked up!


60 posted on 08/05/2020 9:30:10 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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