I have often posted about a fellow who had a get-away place in my neighborhood. He was an aircraft engineer for the Apache plant down in the valley. He passed away years ago and the family sold the place.
He told me of the Phoenix lights. He and his family watched that thing fly right over them. He told me that he guessed it to be about 2 to 300 feet wide. No noise at all. He said the thing that he was thinking was-what the hell do they have driving that thing? The lights? Those were the propulsion systems, to his thinking. He never doubted that it was from the research and development area 51.
...... Now that you mention it .... The area that we were at was a little over 200 miles from Groom Lake, NV ..... Hmmmmm ....