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Russia starts construction of two more nuclear-powered super-subs
The Barents Observer ^ | 21 July 2020 | Atle Staalesen

Posted on 07/20/2020 9:11:46 PM PDT by texas booster

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To: Spktyr
Thanks. Would be interesting to understand the design characteristics that these weapon system designers were weighing before applying CAD to the problem.

Looks like there must be a good reason - beyond running out of quiet ways to turn a 13,000 ton sub.

21 posted on 07/20/2020 10:35:45 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: doorgunner69

You’ll note that we can’t see the impeller design inside the duct. It rides about as low as the old conventional propeller subs, because “big blade turning slow” is quieter than “small blade turning fast” to move the same amount of fluid - the old 688s’ props weren’t much smaller.

https://i.redd.it/w82j6df9hwd41.png

USS Cheyenne, the last 688i/688 (Improved) constructed.


22 posted on 07/20/2020 10:42:51 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: texas booster

Waterjet/attitude jet directional control has never worked out on submarines traveling at any significant speed and fully articulated vectored thrust is both limited and noisy. Neither of these methods provide passive stability and can contribute to a sub performing barrel rolls. Carefully engineered planes are still to date the best method of submarine attitude control, combined with changing buoyancy with ballast tanks.


23 posted on 07/20/2020 10:47:55 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: doorgunner69

Looks small.


24 posted on 07/20/2020 11:06:11 PM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: texas booster
I can track them.


25 posted on 07/20/2020 11:52:20 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (Voltaire: "Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool".)
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To: eclectic

It’s 130 meters long and 11 meters wide. A Virginia is 115 meters long and 10 meters wide.

What was that about small?

It also has about half the crew - so there’s more room in it for weapons. Lots and lots of weapons.


26 posted on 07/21/2020 12:07:58 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: texas booster

Pump jet propulsion?


27 posted on 07/21/2020 4:00:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Yup, it’s a modern standard in military and civilian ships. Humanity finally has good enough modeling and machining skills to make it a practical reality on both scales.


28 posted on 07/21/2020 4:16:45 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: texas booster

OK, I get it now. One is to replace the one that sunk. The second is for spare parts.


29 posted on 07/21/2020 4:18:41 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: Renkluaf

You do know the Russians are doing better than us in new construction not being destroyed or having to be scrapped, right?


30 posted on 07/21/2020 4:20:31 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: texas booster

This a jobs program to produce the only products the labor force and economy are capable of


31 posted on 07/21/2020 4:23:04 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: BobL

A lot of that money is wasted on crap like the LCS, Zumwalts, and Fords. This is because the Pentagon brass likes to brag about having the latest toys; working, practical or efficient are not germane to their thinking which is filled with hubris and stupidity.

It does not matter how many of something is built, but how well it preforms the job it was designed to do. LCS (headed to the scrap yard), Zumwalts (may become rear missile platform), Fords (operational training platform), and F-35s are cases in point.

Before the howls of the mob, F35s are soon to be relegated to rearward drone control as they are not survivable in a dog fight with short range BVR missiles and only 200 canon rounds. As a bomb truck, it has to give up its limited stealth with external fuel pods and bombs on wing hard points. All jobs better relegated to new variants of the F15-16s.


32 posted on 07/21/2020 4:34:52 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Spktyr

“Also, we’re *not* building “ten times” as many new subs and planes.”

We HAVE TO be building 10 times what Russia (or China) builds, otherwise why would people ON THIS SITE keep blurting out that number when there’s a debate regarding military spending?

You wouldn’t be implying they’re idiots, or Leftist stooges, would you?


33 posted on 07/21/2020 5:15:44 AM PDT by BobL
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To: texas booster

I just started watching a youtube channel called Sub Brief. The guy running it is an ex submarine sonar tech and calls himself “Jive Turkey”.

In this video he analyzes a recording of an SQS-53C, sent in by a viewer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DR-rIOp6aw


34 posted on 07/21/2020 6:04:20 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: EagleUSA
Russia has one of the largest foreign reserves in the world and virtually zero debt. Their budget is covered every year. they aren't just an oil export shop anymore, having lots of tax revenue from agro (top exporter of wheat in the world) and manufacturing exports now as well.

Russia may be a lot of things but they are not hurting financially.

35 posted on 07/21/2020 6:06:11 AM PDT by billakay
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To: BobL

We sadly don’t have any shortage of idiots here on FR...


36 posted on 07/21/2020 8:24:12 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: JohnnyP
That's a very interesting video.

Glad that he is only covering the basics and stops/pauses throughout the lesson.

37 posted on 07/21/2020 8:42:21 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

I was a sonar tech on DLG-34. It had an SQS26-BX. We didn’t have those complex waveforms. We had a mode called PRN, or Psuedo Random Noise, but it was not to be used.


38 posted on 07/21/2020 10:10:18 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: texas booster
Armament for the submarines consists of four standard-diameter 5,333-millimeter torpedo tubes and four 650-millimeter torpedo tubes

Wait, what? 5,333mm tubes? As in 16ft? That's really big for a torpedo....
39 posted on 07/21/2020 5:18:24 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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