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To: Meatspace

Wasn’t there a general pardon some years after the Civil War?

There were a few exceptions like Jefferson Davis, etc.


2 posted on 07/09/2020 7:25:05 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau
There were a few exceptions like Jefferson Davis, etc.

Davis, after the war, was incarcerated and demanded a trial but was never given one. The US vs Davis was a loser for the US and the AG knew it.

15 posted on 07/09/2020 7:36:09 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Top US general says Confederate leaders committed ‘treason’ and signals support for renaming bases

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That’s a great way to bring healing to the nation there general. The guy lacks Lincoln’s wisdom.


24 posted on 07/09/2020 7:41:39 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: glorgau
>Wasn’t there a general pardon some years after the Civil War?

By Pres. Andrew Johnson, towards towards the end of his filing out Lincoln's term and after his impeachment and near removal IIRC. But still, in hindsight it probably was a wise move for the times or at least a mostly wise move. What I don't know, and wish I did, is did that era's congress leave any active enabling legislation for 14th §2 and §3. We'd never get decent new ones past Pelosi. If so Trump needs to dust such off and use them, NOW.

To fight Radical Democrats Trump needs Radical Republican tools.

30 posted on 07/09/2020 7:43:34 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (waiting for the tweets to hatch)
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To: glorgau

Yes, for everyone except Davis.

So, technically, the traitors did not commit treason.


33 posted on 07/09/2020 7:44:42 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: glorgau
I think the only real question is:

Would Ike have backhanded this little bitch Mark Milley, or would he have punched him in the mouth?

35 posted on 07/09/2020 7:46:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: glorgau

***There were a few exceptions like Jefferson Davis***

Davis rejected a pardon and demanded a treason trial. Salmon P. Chase refused to give him one as he feared Davis might prove that secession was legal and the Union the aggressor.

Twenty staunch abolitionists each gave $5000($100000 total)in gold coin to obtain Davis’ release from prison. Among those donating were Horace Greeley and Cornelius Vanderbilt.


40 posted on 07/09/2020 7:49:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: glorgau

“There were a few exceptions like Jefferson Davis, etc.”

Well, aside from the poor bastard who was in command of Andersonville, I know of NO Confederate who was brought up on charges and convicted and punished. Of course, the Yankees had no problem at all with the conditions under which Confederate POWs languished and perished at Camp Douglas in Illinois. But, the victor gets to write the histories.


44 posted on 07/09/2020 7:52:53 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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Where are the treason convictions?


58 posted on 07/09/2020 8:12:06 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To say that the Constitution does not allow secession by a/multiple states means that one generation legally binds succeeding generations to the commitment they made to remain bound to the Union. This is like being bound to a contract your father made.


72 posted on 07/09/2020 8:24:02 PM PDT by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: glorgau

To bring an end to hostilities and reunite the country, yes there was an agreement not to call southerners traitors. Lincoln gave them a full pardon. Those now calling them traitors are trying to reignite the war.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/lincoln-issues-proclamation-of-amnesty-and-reconstruction


78 posted on 07/09/2020 8:44:22 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Make America Great. Prosecute Dems who break the law!)
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To: glorgau
Wasn’t there a general pardon some years after the Civil War?

There were a few exceptions like Jefferson Davis, etc.

The general pardon was for the troops. The High ranking officers and high level officials had to apply for pardons and they were given on an individual basis as far as I have read. Bost did apply and were granted their pardon.

107 posted on 07/09/2020 11:18:11 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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"All Confederate soldiers gain presidential pardons, Dec. 25, 1868

In the aftermath of the Civil War, President Andrew Johnson on this day in 1868 issued pardons to all Confederate soldiers who fought in that conflict. The president extended “unconditionally, and without reservation ... a full pardon and amnesty for the offence [sic] of treason against the United States,"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/25/this-day-in-politics-dec-25-1868-1074077

118 posted on 07/10/2020 3:00:51 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. TJ)
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To: glorgau

*** Wasn’t there a general pardon some years after the Civil War? ***

Lincoln met with Grant, Sherman and a few other senior leaders at City Point, Virginia a matter of days before Lee’s lines at Petersburg were broken and Richmond fell to Grant’s forces. The broad outline of what the peace terms would be was the topic of discussion. There would be no hangings or trials. The policy was “Let ‘em up easy”.

The major fear was that Lee’s army might disperse to the Appalachian Mountains and commence a guerilla war that might last a decade or more. Generous surrender terms were the inducement to get the fighting stopped.


128 posted on 07/10/2020 3:58:21 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: glorgau

There were pardons on a massive level. Now either they are legal and legit or they were not.

As for this general I think Trump needs to find an America loving general and get rid of this globalist, progressive pinko. The US military has been compromised by the globalist and the communists. It was the last remaining government entity I had any faith in. That faith has been shattered by the behavior of the senior generals and admirals. They are warmongers, globalists and communists. What fool officer wants to go to war for 20 yrs! War should be the last resort and then you wage it ruthlessly to finish it and stop the killing on both sides. I had hope they US military might save the country, but believe after Trump leaves the scene we are looking at an oppressive dark age and they will support it.


133 posted on 07/10/2020 5:26:45 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: glorgau

Yes, there was

The officers right up to the top knew each other and were friends before the Civil War


218 posted on 07/10/2020 5:10:46 PM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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To: glorgau
I don't believe Davis was ever brought to trial. Why? Because of the silence on secession. Nothing said it was allowed, nothing said it was disallowed. I think very late (late 19th early 20th century USSC decision over I think state bonds finally said it was unconstitutional.

Lincoln wanted everyone to just go home, later it was ratify a couple of amendments but fundamentally the same just go home.

487 posted on 07/19/2020 2:08:22 PM PDT by Reily
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