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Native tribal leaders are calling for the removal of Mount Rushmore
CNN ^ | July 2, 2020 | Leah Asmelash

Posted on 07/03/2020 10:32:20 AM PDT by Stravinsky

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To: Stravinsky

We give these people a lot...and I mean a lot of money each year....something like 20 billion.


41 posted on 07/03/2020 11:04:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Stravinsky

I think we need to remove any reference to native peoples nation wide.
Why on earth are we celebrating the ‘conquered’ by naming things we love after them.
Apparently they want to be forgotten.


42 posted on 07/03/2020 11:04:31 AM PDT by glasseye ("A policeman's job is only easy in a police state." Orson Welles)
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To: Stravinsky

NEWS FLASH!!!

Researchers Discover 3 Square Feet of Land
That is NOT Sacred to Native Americans


43 posted on 07/03/2020 11:04:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Father in Heaven, I trust in Your love.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And a strip club in Paris!

Seriously, though, many a treaty with the United States and various tribes have been broken—by BOTH sides.

Many vowed to stop attacking and killing settlers but individual braves often thought that what some Chief agreed to did not apply to them.

So there’s that.

The treaty giving all the Black Hills to the Indians was later superseded by subsequent treaties. Which one applies?

The LAST one.


44 posted on 07/03/2020 11:07:47 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The prisons do not fill themselves. Get moving, Barr!)
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To: South Dakota

45 posted on 07/03/2020 11:07:57 AM PDT by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong.)
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To: 2banana

>>Nearly all Indian tribes, with a few notable exceptions, fought on the side of the British in the Revolution.<<

Nah, that’s just not true, not even near the truth. The US was a very small area at that time and most tribes were no where near it and had no idea what was even going on.


46 posted on 07/03/2020 11:07:59 AM PDT by Tejas Rob
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To: Stravinsky

Any comment on how the Lakota Nation was originally in the area of Minnesota until the 1700s when they moved west and took by force that land around Mt Rushmore from weaker tribes? They are NOT native to that area and their cries are only for their media/marxist allies.


47 posted on 07/03/2020 11:08:58 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Stravinsky

Indians are finding out like white southerners, it’s not good to lose a war.


48 posted on 07/03/2020 11:09:50 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thanks for the book tip. Just purchased on Kindle.


49 posted on 07/03/2020 11:09:51 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Tejas Rob

“The US was a very small area at that time and most tribes were no where near it and had no idea what was even going on.”

That’s true, but I think he probably meant the tribes in the east that were in contact with European stock.


50 posted on 07/03/2020 11:10:28 AM PDT by dsc (As for the foundations of the Catholic faith, this pontificate is an outrage to reason.)
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To: Stravinsky

NO. Go build another Casino.


51 posted on 07/03/2020 11:12:24 AM PDT by LeonardFMason (Lou Dobbs)
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To: Vermont Lt
That is why they treat their reservations with such fondness.

LOL...that is just what I told the wife this morning...anyone who has ever driven on a reservation has to wonder how it is that land is sacred to indians.

52 posted on 07/03/2020 11:12:59 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Nothing dies harder than a lie that people want to believe)
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To: laweeks

Per some of the Lakota the Crazy Horse monument was the dream of one native man and was undertaken without tribal consent. They also claim a lot of the money raised for it over the years is unaccounted for.


53 posted on 07/03/2020 11:14:06 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: BenLurkin; Stravinsky
"It’s long past time for them to stop being First Peoples and start being un-hyphenated Americans."

It's a growing theory (though one clearly going against the PC winds), that "Europeans" migrated to the America's thousands of years before the "East Asians" did...and were either killed off by the larger migrating groups from east asia, or were "integrated" into their groups from east asia, occurring either in the America's and/or in far eastern Siberia.

 

European style stone tools suggest Stone Age people actually discovered America
By Bob Yirka | February 29, 2012

"...Stone tools found recently in Delaware, Maryland and Virginia in the eastern United States, all appear to bear a striking resemblance to tools used by Stone Age peoples in early Europe, and have been dated to a time between 19,000 and 26,000 years ago, a period during which Stone Age people were making such tools, and long before the early Asians arrived.

...The evidence is further bolstered by the recent discovery that an ancient knife found in Virginia in 1971 was made of flint that originated from France.

...Stanford and Bradley also point out the lack of evidence of any human activity in the north-east part of Siberia or in Alaska any earlier than 15,500 years ago. And the reason early Asians won out, evolving into the people now called Native Americans, was because their window of opportunity was much wider, 15,000 years versus just 4500 for the early Europeans. Thus the original Native Americans were either assimilated or killed by the large numbers of migrating Asians. Evidence that it was likely the former has been found in the DNA of skeletons of North American Native American people. Also, the language of several Native American tribes doesn’t seem to have originated from Asia."
https://phys.org/news/2012-02-european-style-stone-tools-age.html

Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America'
By Matthew Day | 4:12PM GMT 28 Feb 2012
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

Scientists have unearthed ancient artifacts that are upending the history of mankind
By Dan Conover | June 13, 2012
https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/scientists-have-unearthed-ancient-artifacts-that-are-upending-the-history-of-mankind/Content?oid=4092912

Out of Europe
By Dan McLerran | Jun 1, 2013

"...New excavations in the southeastern U.S. and the mid-Atlantic were yielding artifacts dated to pre-Clovis times. Sites like Meadowcroft Rock Shelter in Pennsylvania, Cactus Hill in Virginia, Miles Point and Oyster Cove on the Chesapeake Bay, as well as the offshore Cinmar site, to name but a few, all revealed lithic artifacts arguably dated thousands of years before the oldest Clovis points found across North America. And like the Cinmar point and other points uncovered throughout the eastern U.S. and at underwater locations off the eastern seaboard, the Solutrean assemblages found in Europe, and more specifically southwestern France and northeastern Spain, shared remarkably similar characteristics.

“The majority of the oldest dated sites in the Americas with undisputed artifacts are in the Chesapeake Bay region,” maintains Stanford. “The artifacts from these LGM (the Last Glacial Maximum, between 26,000 and 20,000 years ago) sites are technological and functional equivalents of artifacts from the same period found in southwestern Europe and are not technologically or morphologically related to any east Asian technology."


"Projectile points and their corresponding ages, found at sites in eastern North America. The first artifact on the far left represents a typical point of the Solutrean type, found in Europe. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"


"The LGM ice cover in the North Atlantic at the time when Solutrean peoples are hypothesized to have crossed over from Europe to the Americas. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"


"Map showing the exposed continental shelf along southwestern France and northwestern Spain, with known Solutrean sites. Also shown are concave based points from Spain, representing the types of artifacts of the period that show similarities to the Clovis and pre-Clovis artifacts found in eastern North America. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"


"Distribution of known Solutrean-style laurel leaf biface artifacts in the mid atlantic coastal and continental shelf areas, showing extent of dry land during the LGM. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"
https://popular-archaeology.com/article/out-of-europe/

 

Ancient DNA Links Native Americans With Europe
Michael Balter | 25 Oct 2013
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/409

54 posted on 07/03/2020 11:15:16 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: South Dakota

I’m campaigning for President Trump’s likeness carved into El Capitan in Yosemite!!


55 posted on 07/03/2020 11:15:49 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Nothing dies harder than a lie that people want to believe)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

>>”Hang around the fort” Native (not really) Americans put ear to ground and hear Gravy Train coming.

Got that phrase from an “Indian” lamenting the fact that most modern Indians are descendants of the drunken free-loaders living outside the Calvary posts<<

The “live by the fort people” was a real thing. Indians who didn’t want government hand outs said it of those who did, “you take the government beef, you become a government slave”.

People too often see Indians as some monolithic group of people when they are very different. These Lakota have always been crazy, it’s their nature. Not all tribes or Indians agree with this shit, but because it pushes the Liberal agenda these types are all you hear from the media.

Most were the original Conservatives/Libertarians, they just wanted the government to leave them alone and don’t interfere with their life.

Just take a look on the electoral map of my tribe, Choctaw, territory. We’re solid conservative, always have been. Don’t lump us in with these mouthy activists.


56 posted on 07/03/2020 11:16:32 AM PDT by Tejas Rob
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The Crazy Horse monument was started in 1948. It’s been 72 years and it is not even half complete.


57 posted on 07/03/2020 11:17:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: dsc

>>That’s true, but I think he probably meant the tribes in the east that were in contact with European stock.<<

May be what they meant but it wasn’t what they said. It was actually a small percentage of tribes.


58 posted on 07/03/2020 11:17:55 AM PDT by Tejas Rob
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To: Stravinsky

Would not removing these require using explosives to destroy the faces and result in more destruction of the mountain?


59 posted on 07/03/2020 11:18:33 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3804407/posts?q=1&;page=61)
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To: shelterguy
I have yet to see any “sacred ground” that wasn’t covered in beer cans and trash.

It's the same everywhere...I worked in B.C., Canada and a RES sign was not required to know when you were driving through one.

60 posted on 07/03/2020 11:18:43 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Nothing dies harder than a lie that people want to believe)
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