Posted on 07/03/2020 7:47:19 AM PDT by teeman8r
A new NPR report suggests the global response to COVID-19 may have been reached on a flawed premise.
Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.
The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.
The tests are finding large numbers of people in the US who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.
"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
That's in contrast with death rates of 5% or more based on calculations that included only people who got sick enough to be diagnosed with tests that detect the presence of virus in a person's body.
Many people will recall the fatality risk debate that took place prior to and in the early stages of the lockdowns. There was much discussion over how deadly the virus was and what the collective response to the virus should be.
(Excerpt) Read more at fee.org ...
We live in interesting times...
They know the infection/mortality ratio is about to go so far out of whack that the arguments won’t be sustainable. Getting out ahead of the inevitable.
At least that makes them smarter than Fauci.
You’re correct and I thjink we all know why the death rate is not reported out as you say, broken down by age. To have done that as soon as it became obvious back in March would have made the nation wide shutdown impossible.
The CFR depends on the number of people that have been definitively diagnosed.
The Infection Fatality Rate depends on the number infected and can only be estimated.
Re: The number of Americans tested is probably less than 20 million.
Based on what data? The CDC does not track that.
There have been at least 6 studies done in the USA and Europe.
New York state (the whole state) tested out at 15%. New York City tested out at 25%.
Four cities or regions in Europe have tested at 11% to 15%.
My estimate of 10% is probably low.
USA antibody tests - which would include ALL the symptom free people infected in March and April and a couple weeks in May - are at least 3%.
NO they didn’t fail, this was all planned. Fauci known to have funnel tax payer dollars under the a##clowns watch to the very lab that created the virus, pushing his drug for the cure, associated with Gates and Soros, friend to bill and hillary, his predictions were wrong across the board, Do we really need to know anymore about this dwarf?
Re: “The CFR depends on the number of people that have been definitively diagnosed.”
Re: “The Infection Fatality Rate depends on the number infected and can only be estimated.”
The CDC website uses “Case Fatality Rate” for both known and unknown cases - they actually have several pages of epidemiology definitions, which I will hunt down for you when I have time.
Frankly, until total testing hits 10% of the population or higher, the “known” CFR is a completely useless number.
The actual report was from May 28. Has there been an update?
I don’t think there is an answer to how to deal with it. Old people represent most of the money. That’s what “lifetime savings” means.
If you quarantined only the old people, you would lose about 11% of money out of the economy. That’s less severe than total shutdown for 2 months, but the problem is it would be 11% out of an economy growing at only 3% and it would be nearly forever, or until a cure is invented.
The cruise industry would still be smashed. So would airlines. And instead of 2 months, it would be ongoing. Hell, it is anyway.
The total economy shutdown tried to save old people. It’s now in the process of failing.
There is no fix for this other than a cure. Not a vaccine. A cure.
That's what I think.
You are assuming a lockdown of older folks is a jail sentence. It would have to be voluntary and it wouldn’t mean older folks couldn’t get out and shop as they were/are doing now.
The whole idea is that instead of shutting down ANYTHING at all all you would do is alert older folks and especially those with existing medical conditions to the dangers and suggest they take special care. Meanwhile the rest of the country carries on as it always has.
I’d rather not pick up this CV or anything from flubros.
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Since it didnt burn through the favelas of Brazil or the slums of Lagos or Mumbai, I would have to say NPR is a little high on their fatality rate, even at 0.5%.
I have to believe it’s because people in those poorer areas are exposed to so many things, their immune systems are made of steel.
Government is always generally inept, but it (and it's associated collectives and layers and tendrils) can also be specifically quite EPT, when it wants, at appearing to be inept.
It often craftily hides it's intentions and agenda behind its own inept nature, playing dumb.
I'm not necessarily saying Covid was planned, THAT may well have been ineptness ... but the 'inept' response, if you look at its results ... seem to me to have been quite ... ept ... if we allow that evil can be ept.
If I was a cheerleader for globalism and collectives and an end to individual freedom and specifically its implementation and nature in the US, I would give a hearty "Good job! Very Damaging and Effective!" to the response.
At this point prestigious organizations like Johns Hopkins and Henry Ford Health System (hcq study) are starting to worry about their long term credibility.
If you haven’t know this for about 2.5 months now ... you’ve been experiencing a lot of fear (and NOT doing very much research) for no reason (not including the immune-compromised)
I think they are gradually adjusting their 'expertise' to fit an undeniable reality. (like they do with polls when the election is a day away or just happened - you can only report that Trump's 97% sure to lose to HIllary for so long in 2016 before the train of reality pulls into the station and is no longer decoratable with fake polls and weasel language.)
In a couple months I'm pretty sure they'll be reporting that, wow, it's even lower than .5% ... it's .25% or lower.
Then whatever they finally report -> you have to cut off 40% for died-with PLUS intentional infections like nursing homes.
It's going to get to the point where 'it ain't even the flu, bro,' if you're not severely immune-compromised.
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