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To: yoe

What a stupid argument. “Columbus day” is not an historic one, it is somebody’s birthday, who did some historic things.

Juneteeth is actually an historic day, it is the day that something actually happened. You may not care about what happened on that day, but it is “historic”.

While we cannot point to a single day when “all the slaves gained independence”, since that happened in bits and pieces, the idea of celebrating the fact that slaves received independence is as valid as celebrating the fact that we achieved independence (which we did NOT do on July 4th, but it again was as good a day to celebrate as any, although if I were choosing I might choose the day the british surrendered).

Defend Columbus day if you think that his accidentally landing here and naming people because he thought he was actually in India is worth celebrating, even though a lot of people already were pretty sure there was land here, and frankly others had already been here.

But don’t pretend October 12 is “historic”, and june 19th is not.

You know, Texas has been celebrating June 19th as a holiday since 1980.


12 posted on 07/02/2020 12:24:22 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“You know, Texas has been celebrating June 19th as a holiday since 1980”

Don’t disagree with your sentiments/statements and do not want to nit pick, but Juneteeth may have been given some kind official designation in Texas in 1980, but it has been celebrated in the Texas African American community much longer than that. I’m from East Texas and remember celebrations back into the 1960’s when I would start to notice such things.


21 posted on 07/02/2020 12:34:13 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I think that Columbus Day and Juneteenth are completely separate issues.

We can discuss the historic legacy of Columbus, and whether his birthday should be a holiday. In my opinion, that is a completely separate discussion from whether Juneteenth deserves a federal holiday designation. But for some reason, unclear to me anyway, these discussions are being linked together.


24 posted on 07/02/2020 12:45:18 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Yes, there is a date when all the slaves gained independence. That was the date of the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - December 6th, 1865. The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to the border states that remained loyal to the Union, Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri as well as parts of Louisiana that were exempted. Furthermore, The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order that could have been rescinded at any time by a stroke of Andrew Johnson’s pen. The only significance of Juneteenth is that it marks the surrender of the last Confederate garrison in Texas.
27 posted on 07/02/2020 12:55:24 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; MinuteGal; All

“Defend Columbus day if you think that his accidentally landing here and naming people because he thought he was actually in India is worth celebrating, even though a lot of people already were pretty sure there was land here, and frankly others had already been here.

But don’t pretend October 12 is “historic”, and june 19th is not.”

THANK YOU for the Black Man’s point of view. Our traditions, that are very important indeed, are to celebrate Columbus Day in honor of the man most people in this Country see as having “discovered” America. History is often a bit hazy, and the days celebrated not an exact replica of the original events, but they are nevertheless very important to the traditions and customs of this Country and have been for years and years. If new U.S. hating immigrants from third world countries, dissidents, terrorists, anarchists, Muzzies, socialists, and general haters of our Country do not like the holidays this Country has chosen to honor, then they can get the hell out and find another host country with more freedoms than ours.

Such as one where they will have the freedom to choose their own holidays, maybe Black Lives Matter” Day, or erect a statue of George Soros. Good luck finding such a country. I want a “White Lives Matter” Day, but I’ll be dead before I ever see it. This Country fought a Civil War to end slavery, and that war was fought primarily by WHITE men. But the “original sin” of slavery, commonplace in the history of the world at that time, long after most prejudice has been wiped out in this Country, is still continually used as a cudgel against “Whitey” in order to obtain more and more privileges and perks. Many of them against poor white men and women who get lesser access to federal and state grants, loans and awards to White students at colleges, and have lost job opportunities only because they are White. My how the pendulum ever swings. How do you think minority overlords will treat a White minority, hmmm? The same way as those they continually accuse of prejudice now? You bet they will once in power. Payback time.

If all things on a resume are even only somewhat equal, the default is to hire the minority, regardless of skill sets. I know what I am speaking of here firsthand from where I worked (a major State University where I was involved with the hiring process in my Department; and also I was in the private sector for many years). Whitey is the endangered species here.

Blacks are about a 14% minority in this Country, but recently you would think they are an 80% majority. They aren’t, they never will be, and many hate that, along with many of them just hating Whites, period. Those Whites who have bent over backward to right wrongs over many years now. And do you know whom I blame for the current turmoil in the Black community?

It’s white communist/socialist elites stirring the pot, along with elitist tech companies infected by White guilt and the corrupt MSM, this year in particular because it is an election year and they hate Trump who has been busy overturning many of their Obama Admin socialist policies, rules and regulations, perks and freebies, and improving our economy to the best it ever has been prior to the coming of the Chinese Coronavirus.

Trump will do it again if his enemies’ numbers are not quite large enough as a voting block yet, or this Country’s recent demographics haven’t nullified the dreaded White man’s majority yet. That will happen soon enough, but maybe not quite yet, if Trump is lucky.

White elitists and anarchists jumped on the BLM bandwagon, hijacked it, and appealed to an irrational mindset among too many Blacks that there is systemic racism in this Country. But both the White elitists and BLM have pushed way too far, and the racism that had pretty much been eradicated will probably make a comeback because of the actions of this year’s illogical, irrational protesters afoot throughout our land, and the attempt by these domestic terrorists to destroy our customs, tear down our statues, and ruin our melting pot culture so they can remake our Country in their own commie/socialist image. They hate us.

I for one am sick to death of it, and I will arm myself and defend my personal castle and our Country’s traditions against these traitors and their brainwashed, stupid, emotionally based pea brain followers. May they all rot in their own personal versions of hell.

This once wonderful Country is on the precipice of internal destruction, one election away from being a socialist hellhole like Venezuela and Cuba. You need go no farther for examples of what socialist dictators can create in their versions of Utopia. Maybe this Country needs for Biden to win so they can get a bird’s eye view of how a thriving economy and culturally mature Country can go downhill in the blink of an eye.

If Biden wins, our way of life will be destroyed so quickly it will make one’s head spin. I’m older; I won’t be around that long to view much of the crumbling of our Country, but I feel very sorry for the younger generations who will suffer under the yoke of socialism/communism and a dictatorship of the Left, not by their choice.

Actually, the elitist Libs had better sleep with one eye open because the perpetually aggrieved minority, once in power, will come for them next.


49 posted on 07/02/2020 2:00:05 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Donald Trump, President for Life (heh, heh))
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