CDC warns of second coronavirus wave as states lift lockdowns

NY Post ^ | June 14, 2020 | 3:49am | Jack Hobbs

[Pendergast]

Thanks Jim. I do believe we need to reopen, fully aware that there may more cases. Some media are reporting higher cases in Florida and other states that are reopening. However, what they don’t report is that this is most likely due to more testing as a high percentage of positives are asymptomatic. What they should be looking at is hospitalizations and deaths.

You are correct in that we don’t fully know but we also cannot destroy our country based on models that have proven to be faulty and experts that have so far been wrong about most everything.

I appreciate your explanation and position.
Thanks!

[dsc]

“Oldsters like us can take extra precautions as personally desired and appropriate.”

Yeah. A few days ago I took the extra precaution of driving down to Rifle, CO, and eating at Shooter’s Grill.

I’m very close to three score and ten, and I’m not going to ruin my last years by acting like a coward.

[Oshkalaboomboom]

Thanks for the warning but we will watch it anyway because we have no cable or antenna. We download everything we watch from the internet so even if it’s only good it fills air time. I call it “feeding the beast”.

[Nero Germanicus]

What concerns me is the Medicare costs born by us taxpayers. Average length of stay for a COVID-19 patient is 13 days and a majority are elderly and on Medicare. This is costing us a fortune.
The average cost to treat a hospitalized patient with coronavirus is $30,000.
Medicare covers the lab tests for COVID-19.
Medicare covers FDA-authorized COVID-19 antibody (or “serology”) tests.
Medicare covers all medically necessary hospitalizations. This includes those diagnosed with COVID-19 who might otherwise have been discharged after an inpatient stay, but instead needed to stay in the hospital under quarantine (old folks & pre-existing conditions).

[rlmorel]

Jim Noble, I just want to reiterate-this is not meant as an attack in any way on you. I have followed your posts for many years, and find them thoughtful.

I disagreed with the broad characterization, and also saw it as a good time to see if many of us could get on the same base.

I have not taken to the streets in protest of this shutdown up to now because I believed there was enough uncertainty to err on the side of caution. But if there is another shutdown, and I truly believe in my heart that we are going to see a push for another shutdown in September/October, I will take to the streets, even in my blue state where I am certain to be outmanned and outgunned.

But I am going to do it. We cannot do this again, with the trillion dollar relief packages that are certain to go along with any shutdown.

[Oshkalaboomboom]

I think you’re being overly concerned. I live in Spain, which had the second strictest lockdown in the world and they did worse than Sweden, which didn’t lock down at all. We also didn’t impose idiotic rules like Cuomo and still 2/3 of our deaths were in nursing homes. My town has 27000 people. They wiped out our summer and I expect that a lot of businesses that were open last year won’t be open next year. And for what? 1 Cold death and 10 illnesses.

[rlmorel]

Thanks...there is another thing:

We know this will not be the last time this is going to happen. I believe there are unfriendly eyes watching the way we have reacted to this in the USA, and it would be foolish to think they won’t draw conclusions from it.

There are things I see that irritate me, and one of them is seeing the flag at half mast for EVERYTHING, including when some celebrity dies. It has gotten to the point where when I see the flag up fully, I wonder what is wrong. This incessant state of mourning and fear is repulsive to me.

It indicates a softness of our national character I find repellent.

Along those lines, our sticking with this lockdown long after it has been known that this virus affects different groups of people with far different levels of severity, indicates a flaw in our national character I find unpalatable.

[Oshkalaboomboom]

Sorry, that reply was meant for a different thread.

[MayflowerMadam]

“indicates a flaw in our national character I find unpalatable.”

Yes. Makes me glad that I’m old and won’t be around to see this country — whatever it will be called — 25 years from now.

Most Biblical scholars I’ve paid attention to believe that the USA as we are now isn’t referred to in eschatology, so this actually could be the end for us.

[Qiviut]

Along those lines, our sticking with this lockdown long after it has been known that this virus affects different groups of people with far different levels of severity, indicates a flaw in our national character I find unpalatable.

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I am disappointed at the numbers of “sheeple” that are evidently present in the population ... appears to be a majority.

[A Navy Vet]

" study COVID epidemiology professionally. Propaganda has nothing to do with what I wrote. Did you read it?"

I read your posts and tend to agree it could go either way. I prefer not to further destroy more livelihoods/small business and take the chance. Are you an epidemiologist by profession as you imply?

That said, the CDC, HIH, NAISD, and especially WHO have had no real understanding of COVID and have changed their models weekly. I also understand that China was not originally forth-coming which caused the above agencies to come up with their own models. The WHO is pretty much in bed with China, so no surprise there.

My bottom line: I believe there will be more outbreaks of COVID, but closing the economy down again will have even worse results. Seem you are of like mind. Thank you for your input.

[cloudmountain]

Jim Noble, I posted this to take issue with your characterization of people on this site you label "Reopeners", this is not meant as an attack on you although I presume you believe this characterization. You said in your post: "...Even here, people who support "reopening" DEFEND their positions by saying, over and over as if it would make it true, that nothing will happen, that it's perfectly safe, that people who say it isn't safe are corrupt, or liars, or being paid by George Soros, and so on... That is a broad brush you paint with, Jim Noble. You say that "...people who support "reopening" defend their positions by saying, over and over as if it would make it true, that nothing will happen, that it's perfectly safe, that people who say it isn't safe are corrupt, or liars, or being paid by George Soros, and so on..." There are plenty of us "even here" who DON'T believe that "nothing will happen", DON'T hold that it is "perfectly safe", DON'T ALWAYS accuse those who have a different view are "corrupt , or liars" or are "paid by George Soros". I happen to fully believe ALL of those things you accuse "reopens" of (I guess we have to start labeling people here now, too) are partially true in various situations and elements, although I think it is completely false to paint everyone across the board that way. on OUR side just like I think it is completely false to paint EVERYONE on THEIR side the same way. There are many people on both sides who are just afraid and/or ignorant. If we are going to have a "reasonable discussion" on this, I propose that we ALL accept that there are value judgements made on human lives ALL THE TIME. Constantly. Every day. And we have to start acknowledging that this is done, and should be done...right now. Right now. To establish the reality that we make value judgements on human life, we can ask the question: "Would you spend ONE DOLLAR if it was certain to save a human life?" Most normal people, when asked that question, would not only give a dollar, but might well pull out their checkbook and write a check for $1000 dollars...if not $10,000 or $100,000 Dollars. But if you ask people Would you spend a trillion dollars to save one life?" most people would say no, some even if it were their own. Especially if you pose the question: "Would you spend $20 trillion dollars to save the lives of some Americans and in in the process, bankrupt your children's future, your grandchildren's future and your great grandchildren's future, plunge the current generation into poverty and want, and likely start bloody wars in the process that would kill hundreds of millions all over the world?" Of course, like the woman who has been offered a dollar to have sex and exclaims indignantly "What kind of woman do you think I am?" (to which the man responds that had already been established and the haggling is about price) we need to accept the role of the man in this and begin haggling over the price. There needs to be a discussion of where on that spectrum between ONE DOLLAR spent or lost and ONE TRILLION (or TEN or TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS) does that worthwhile value lay closest to. They are already talking about the next multi-trillion dollar package for the next wave. This has to stop, and stop now. This isn't the Black Death with a 40% mortality rate. This is something that affects large swaths of people, and simply closing it down across the board for everyone is not only NOT going to end it, it will certainly bankrupt us if it hasn't already. It has certainly bankrupted hundreds of thousands of people and small businesses already. So no. There are a lot of us "reopeners" as you have branded us who DON'T believe ANY of those things you accused them of are true across spectrum of the disease and a considerable number of people who want this to continue as an aid to, but we do believe that that it is national suicide to cater to what appears to be largely a Leftist effort (aided useful idiots and those who both afraid and ignorant) to close everything across the board again. For what it is worth, I am one of the people who is potentially at more risk age-wise and co-morbidity-wise if I do. I will state here and now that my life is not worth mortgaging the future of this country. It is true that I might not sing the same tune if or when that time to pay the piper for my stand comes due. I have and have had a great life, I love life. But I won't countenance possibly saving my life in order to sentence my future countrymen to a life of want and despair.

Thanks for you thoughtful comments.

[Jim Noble]

“Are you an epidemiologist by profession as you imply?”

Epidemiology of infectious diseases is part of what I do. Mostly I kill germs - inside of people.

[jmaroneps37]

Our president, you know the man who runs the country because he was elected to do so, that guy: has already said No new shutdown. Go away Fraudci.

[Jim Noble]

“It indicates a softness of our national character I find repellent.”

Because I work so closely with public health (especially now), I agree completely - but the softness is expressed through our politicians (spit) who simply are responding to their voters.

I feel the passion around here about the “lockdowns”, but they are quite popular in our safety-ridden culture, surely you know they would win a popular vote by a large margin.

Anyway, the die is cast, America is going back to work, we will know in 4-6 weeks what the outcome is.

Keep your fingers crossed.

[tbw2]

The World Health Organization admitted on June 8 that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus - and that’s the entire basis for social distancing.

[Jim Noble]

“The World Health Organization admitted on June 8 that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus“

And they retracted within hours because it isn’t true. HOW MUCH asymptomatic spread there is is unknown - but that it has been occurring all over the world is proven beyond a doubt.

[A Navy Vet]

"Mostly I kill germs - inside of people."

So, you're an MD of some specialty? I ask because you seem to have some personal inside knowledge than we're getting from WHO and CDC. I just read that some 54 positions in NIH have been fired/eliminated due to their connections with China.

[Bayard]

CDC if the country shuts down again there will be an outbreak of lead poisoning.

[Jan_Sobieski]

This could be possible, but only because of the following...

1. Powers that be are purposely infecting nursing homes

2. Powers that be are falsifying data

3. Covid is caused by 5G and the are slow rolling it