[[Sorry, George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” is not relevant.]]
Actually it is and explains why they subdued him using an approved tactic to subdue someone- especially someone as large as he was- He dwarfed the police that took him out of the car-
You can make other arguments but the one that his violent criminal past is irrelevant isn’t one of them- It explains why he was subdued- one of the explanations anyways- the other was that he was obviously high on drugs, which is why police had called the ambulance and were detaining him in a subdued manner, till the ambulance got there-
By the way- there is video of him I think on Sherryl Attkinson’s site (sp?) showing that he was saying he ‘couldn’t breath’ even while he was still in his own car- before he was taken out- The man was high on fentanyl- and meth- both of which can and often does- lead to death via not breathing- plus the fact that he had two serious heart problems, and clogged arteries, mixed with those drugs, was not good- and very probably could have been the cause of death-
These are facts that are emerging, despite Fox news’ and the msm’s best efforts to hide them- George Floyd very well could have been suffering heart failure even before the police tried putting him in the car- he struggled with them for 10 minutes trying to resist- which is also on video from what i understand- you wouldn’t know it though as msm and fox won’t air them in an effort to keep the ‘racist cop gleefully murders black man’ meme going=-
Bob434...stop, you are making too much sense /s. Great post...
Not saying that the cop was not at fault, but like every investigation, ALL the facts, including past criminal history are relevant and need to be understood. The question I have, if this cop was truly (with intent) murdering Mr. Floyd, why would the cop do this in front of his colleagues and in front of folks with cell phones recording him doing so?
Actually it is and explains why they subdued him using an approved tactic to subdue someone- especially someone as large as he was- He dwarfed the police that took him out of the car-
You can make other arguments but the one that his violent criminal past is irrelevant isn’t one of them- It explains why he was subdued- one of the explanations anyways- the other was that he was obviously high on drugs, which is why police had called the ambulance and were detaining him in a subdued manner, till the ambulance got there-
What part of he was unconscious (dead?) for minutes while the police assault continued do you not understand?
So Floyd resisted it gave the cops a right to assault him while handcuffed and unconscious? Utter Nonsense. Don’t defend the indefensible.
You sound like a Democrat justifying political motivated prosecutions of Trump supporters. All is fair game because they worked for Trump.
The Statement of Probable Cause for the murderous ex-policeman's arrest for murder and manslaughter, points out that the victim became compliant as soon as the cuffs were on him. There is store security footage showing him in cuffs seated against the wall of a store, and being calmly raised to his feet in cuffs and walked half a block away to the police cruiser.
Another video taken six feet away, shows nine full minutes unedited and uncut, of the ex-policeman with his knee on the neck of a man lying on the ground on his stomach in handcuffs.
First he says he can't breathe.
Knee stays on.
He passes out.
Fluid runs from his direction under the police car on video; he's probably urinated and voided his bowels.
A bystander identifies as a first responder and begs Mr. Kneecap to check for a pulse.
Knee stays on.
Mr. Kneecap pulls out his can of mace and brandishes it at a bystander approaching (presumably to help the poor guy).
Knee stays on.
One of the other policemen holding the guy down checks for a pulse and tells Mr. Kneecap, there's no pulse.
The knee stays on for a full two minutes or so (not mere incidental hesitation), of a handcuffed, lying down, unconscious man with no pulse and two OTHER policemen on his legs.
On unedited video. In front of multiple witnesses.
Thank you. You have helped restore my faith in the quality of discourse on this board. After so much total BS being posted on this matter, it is good to read a sensible post.
Based on what I have read on the threads discussing the sorry death of Mr. Floyd, very few current Freepers have ever manned an ambulance, worked an ER, taken out an appendix, taken a Red Cross course in BCLS/CPR or ACLS, or even are familiar with the basic anatomy of the human neck. Yet they all seem to voice strong opinions about the cause of death here, from the alleged damage done by the cop’s actions, and are not afraid to spew insults at anyone that does not agree with their “erudite” opinions. If I were JimRob I would be rather unhappy with these developments. When I joined this board I think the discussions were a good bit more rational.
I would add two points to your post.
(1) Why would the cops put Mr. Floyd down next to the vehicle, lying on his side, and then hold him in that position, braced with a knee, so that he could not flip over onto his back? If you think about it, having encountered him shortly after he had taken his”mind altering substances” and when he was showing behavioral changes, there would be a concern that Floyd was showing early signs of drug toxicity that could progress and lead to mental status changes and loss of consciousness. So what would they do then? Call for an ambulance (which apparently they did at some point), and then put him on the ground and PLACE HIM ON HIS SIDE so that if he did vomit (a common occurrence) the acid-laden material brought up from his stomach would be expelled via his mouth and NOT BE ASPIRATED (sent down into his lungs while he was inhaling). Aspiration of that material can be a rather dire event. So placing/leaving him a different position (e.g., sitting up or on his back) in those circumstances could have led to claims of negligence. The comments by the individual taking the cell phone video notwithstanding (questioning why the cops had him on his side), the defense attorneys likely will have a field day here, assuming they have the chance to make this argument, since many cops are trained in those “pre-hospital” treatment protocols, and what is shown in the video is “just doing their job”..
(2) Much has been made on recent threads here of the alleged obstruction of blood flow to Mr. Floyds brain by the cop, while he was putting pressure on the lateral surface of the neck with his knee. Again, nonsense. There are 4 big arteries entering the skull and feeding the brain—I will try to put it in simple terms—all 4 of these arteries feed into a single circular structure (the “Circle of Willis”—look it up) that provides flow to both the upper and lower portions of the brain. You would have to block all 4 to completely stop perfusion of the brain, and there are some older folk wandering around with a completely blocked left or right carotid artery, who are ostensibly functioning normally. Why? Because the other 3 arteries would continue to provide perfusion, keeping the entire brain adequately supplied with nutrients and oxygen.
And even if the notion of the key role of a single artery for brain function was correct, the likelihood that the cop was blocking/damaging the carotid in any way by having his knee in the position it was in, with the neck as it was, is essentially zero. Do you know the scene in “Bad Day at Black Rock”, where Spencer Tracy takes out the local thug by a karate chop to the left anterio-lateral base of the neck? That might get to the carotid, with enough trauma to the belly of the sternocleidomastoid muscle. The carotid has key functions, and nature has given it good protection. But the cop’s knee placed where it was—no way. Just ask anyone who is familiar with mammalian or specifically human anatomy. But why this point was lost on the two pathologists who were hired by the family’s lawyer—I have no clue.
It will all be sorted out in court. And I think more than a few will be shocked by the result, based on the nonsense spread by the media.