[[To second guess their conclusion in the Floyd autopsy makes me wonder what is really going on with this thread.]]
You are second guessing the original ME report-
[[I am sure Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan and the President of the Michigan Association of Medical Examiners knows her field of forensic pathology well.]]
As does the first ME-
[[examining them through a microscope and, with other advanced techniques, the Baden team got a good idea at what happened.]]
The first team did the same no doubt and didn’t find evidence-
Again- we’re talking about the claim that blood flow to brain restriction caused loss of oxygen to brain- but we’re not seeing any evidence to suggest that enough force was used all around the neck to cause that- He gave an opinion- She gave an opinion, unless they have presented evidence
I am unaware of- Dr Baden had every opportunity to discuss the evidence for his opinion on hannity’s show and failed to do so- He simply gave an opinion that the chest was compressed so that the diaphragm couldn’t work- and claimed the knee on the neck caused that-
[[It is a close look at what they reported.]]
I haven’t seen anything other than the very brief reports that said ‘mechanical asphyxiation’, without providing any evidence to support that a knee caused it IF we even allow that the death was asphyxiation which runs contrary to original findings
At this point there is no reason to assume the ones done by Baden and woman- who were hired for the the family- are any more legit than the first- The update to the first gave several possible reasons why oxygen could have been depleted IF that is what caused his death- which we’ve seen no evidence to suggestion t was- but even assuming it could have been, the ‘cardiopulmonary attack’ was a very probable cause of the lack of oxygen- IF again that’s what caused death- I haven’t seen any evidence that suggests that the brain died first, then the heart- All i see are opinions that ‘the knee was the cause of his murder’ which i find hard to believe for the reasons i listed in previous posts-
I am not ruling it out IF evidence comes forward to show that the brain died first, then the heart- due to lack of oxygen, and evidence to prove that his diaphragm was restricted due to compression to the point he could not get air- Not sure how they can prove that though unless the diaphragm shows ruptures or clotting from the pressure or something- This is what i mean about the lack of evidence in the reports claiming he was killed by ‘mechanical asphyxiation’- For mechanical asphyxiation to occur, usually there is evidence- physical evidence- ruptured vessels, bruises to key points- ligature marks bulging eyes or burst eye vessels etc etc etc- IF they are goign to claim ‘mechanical asphyxiation’ resulted in murder, then they are goign to have to prove it with evidence-
Usually what happens though is one side will give their opinion of what ‘could have happened’- while the other side gives an opposing opinion IF neither side has actual proof/evidence to support the claims, and the jury will be reminded that they have to be sure, beyond a reasonable doubt, in order to give their verdict- The burden on the prosecution though is much higher- because the charge is so serious- the defendant don’t forget is innocent till proven guilty- and for serious charges, it takes a lot to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that one is guilty-
You mentioned biden and epstein case- his opinion didn’t change anything- but then again, it didn’t go to court- so who knows- but in other cases- he has been way off- I believe he did the casey anthiony case- oj, and other high profile cases where his findings were not instrumental because they conflicted with other experts- I believe he testified for the defense in oj trial and was wrong about the glove/blood and other evidence- - you can look the cases up to find out where he was off- soemoen mentioned a few cases yesterday- i can’t recall them now-
anyways- We’ll see how the case goes- I don’t beleive a knee was sufficient to cut off enough blood flow to brain- as there are several arteries that supply blood to brain- I think we will fidn out he had heart attack which caused a ‘cardiopulmonary event’, and that the drug he was high on likely was a major cause as well- as it is a well known cause of that kind of death- I think we’ll see negligence of some kind- but will it be ruled gross indifference or not? We’ll see- it was obvious he was holding him down till ambulance got there- which the police had called for- so that doesn’t go to ‘gross negligence’ totally- or gross indifference’ rather- and the fact he said he had him on his stomach because of his condition on the drugs (because he might throw up) shows it isn’t gross indifference too to an extent-
I personally think he should have used another hold while police got a good reading on pulse- and he should have listened to the people asking for them to check- at least check- this might go to a bit of carelessness on his part- but how much? The ambulance was right there, making it’s way to the scene- and he was concerned the crowd was growing hostile and might impede the scene- which is why he pulled out the spray- so he was having to deal with two issues at once- in a stressful situation- i think he made the wrong decision to wait for ambulance to makes it’s way there, but the evidence will ultimately show whether his knee was cause of death or not- I don’;t think it could have- you and others think it did- we’ll see what jury thinks with more evidence than we have-
I think that Dr Baden, after examining Jeffry Epstein, had a pretty clear idea of what he was looking at. It was “mechanical asphyxia,” nearly the same thing Epstein died of. His conclusion created the meme, “Epstein did not kill himself.” But, excuse my digression.
IMHO, the first team failed to do the tests that show the results of chest compression. This is the type of compression that occurs when people are trampled in crowds as they are trying to escape a disaster. Dr. Baden and Dr. Allecia Wilson, with their advanced experience and knowledge, knew how to test for it. Maybe the first team was in a rush and did not include the tests.
The first team did not do the tests to detect carotid artery compression. The Baden Team did and knew what to look for. Instead, they examined cardiac arrest and the results of the toxicology. Maybe they were in a rush to get a conclusion and looked at the easy clues. In my mind, it looks like whitewash to get a lesser conviction for Derek Chauvin. Yet, I may have a conclusion that does not consider what happens when there is a rush to judgement. It is their conclusion that could give Chauvin a lesser sentence because it does not prove malice. In their testimony, they will have to describe the nature of their test for carotid artery compression.
I have no clue why you are sticking up for Chauvin. Why have you made a great effort on this thread to do so? And, I have found plenty of misstatements that I have had to correct. I don’t blame you for them. There are lots of areas where anyone can easily make inaccurate conclusions. Believe me, such happened with discussions about the coronavirus which many considered a mistake for the lock downs and the masks.
If Chauvin does get a lesser sentence, or no conviction, all this mayhem would have been a complete mistake. Heads would explode and walls will come tumbling down.