Posted on 06/01/2020 4:19:54 PM PDT by NautiNurse
MINNEAPOLIS (FOX 9) – Fox 9 reports that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s report released Monday ruled the death of George Floyd a homicide.
The updated report states that on May 25, George Floyd experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by a law enforcement officer(s). Ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin is now charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter in connection to Floyd’s death.
Earlier Monday, the attorneys for the family of George Floyd shared the findings of their separate autopsy, which determined that Floyd died of “asphyxia from sustained pressure” on his neck and back.
The new Medical Examiner’s report also notes other significant conditions such as arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; and recent methamphetamine use.
Last week, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office released a preliminary report in which it was determined that Floyd likely died from a combination of underlying health conditions, being restrained by police, and any potential intoxicants in his system.
There was reportedly no physical evidence that he died of asphyxia of strangulation.
And THAT is what I’m wondering about too. The stark contrast between ME reports is what’s bizarre.
OK, but you asked a question earlier along the lines of ‘why didn’t the officers give him Naloxone at the scene’. I was asking how the officers could have known he had taken Fentanyl.
The local ME does not work for free either, as I understand
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The medical examiner is a non-political person who is not connected to the police department. As a defense attorney, I was shocked when I started handling murder cases that the Medical Examiner would actually meet with me to discuss their findings. My point is that I would trust the local medical examiners’s opinion a lot more than a hired expert who is probably paid $100,000 to do an autopsy.
I would have several questions for this medical examiner. First, did the police cause the heart attack, or did the fentanyl? If it was a fentanyl overdose that precipitated the heart attack, how can you tell that the officers‘s restraint exacerbate the heart attack? This trial may be a battle of experts as the defense will have a hired gun also.
You are right that if the races were reversed, no one would be talking about the case and multiple cities wouldn’t be burning, BUT I don’t think this was racially motivated on the part of Chauvin.
OK, thanks. Ignore my post above then.
What I meant to say was IF the governors didn’t deploy the National Guard, not the military.
Agree. In fact, said exactly this yesterday. No doubt, the ME was pushed to release the report posthaste due to the independent autopsy report published today.
The naloxone discussion resulted from multiple theories that the deceased succumbed to a Fentanyl OD. For those unfamiliar, I also pointed out that the report says "recent" methamphetamine use, as opposed to meth intoxication. This means within the past three days, as the metabolites show up in the tox panel for up to 3 days.
The paid autopsy is BS.
A reasonable doubt at a price that's right. Dueling scientists creating reasonable doubt works better for the defense than the prosecution.
“I’m basically saying, [the medical examiner’s office] did a good autopsy, and I agree that there was compression in the neck — and I think that was the cause of death,” said Dr. Michael Baden, who was once New York City’s chief medical examiner and often reviews high-profile deaths, including that of Ferguson, Missouri, teen Michael Brown.Dr. Baden spoke briefly with the press on a sidewalk outside the medical examiner’s office after spending about an hour reviewing materials from the city’s autopsy — which determined the Mr. Garner’s death was a homicide due to “compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”
The prosecution failed to get an indictment from the grand jury.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-we-learned-michael-browns-autopsy-265247
The autopsy did not reveal signs of a struggle, Dr. Baden said, which casts doubt on an earlier statement by police that a struggle between Brown and Wilson precipitated Brown's shooting. Police have said Brown forced his way inside Wilson's cruiser, where Wilson shot at Brown for the first time.Dr. Baden said he found no gunpowder residue on Brown's skin, which could mean that the muzzle of Wilson's gun was "at least one or two feet away" from Brown when he was shot. However, Dr. Baden was adamant that he would need to examine Brown's clothing for gunpowder residue to make a conclusive finding.
Brown's clothing was not available for Dr. Baden and Prof. Parcells to examine, Baden said, though it was almost certainly examined during Brown's first autopsy performed by the St. Louis County Medical Examiner. If no gunpowder residue was found on Brown's clothing during the first autopsy, it will likely throw the Ferguson PD's timeline of events into question.
Prof. Parcells said a wound on Brown's right arm was "consistent with a witness statement" that Brown was first shot while facing away from Wilson, but he stressed that he and Dr. Baden could not determine conclusively the trajectories of the bullets that hit Brown—or which direction he was moving—when he was shot. The wounds "could be consistent with going forward or going backward," Dr. Baden said.
An attorney for Brown's family said at least some of the shots traced a "back-to-front" trajectory, indicating that Brown was shot from behind.
The prosecution failed to gain a conviction.
Throughout his decades as an unsung public servant, unzipping body bags and working the bone saw, he consistently found the limelight. At first it was still within the confines of government. He chaired the federal committee that re-investigated the deaths of President Kennedy (Baden said it was Oswald) and Martin Luther King, Jr. (Baden said it was James Earl Ray).
I *wondered* what he was grabbing at in the video, thanks for saying that.
That might move it up to 2nd degree murder if they wanted to push things.
And it makes the deprivation of rights under color of law a slam-dunk.
The police are on video trying to pull him out of his car. If he’s in his car, he’s not exactly rampaging around with a bazooka.
Pulling him back out may imply he was trying to kick out a window. I have also read reports that he did not want to get in the car claiming he had claustrophobia.
NCHS Releases New Monthly Provisional Estimates on Drug Overdose Deaths
February 2018 to February 2019
CDC: “An estimated 69,029 people died of a drug overdose during this period...Nearly half of all overdose deaths, or 47%, were due to fentanyl or other synthetic opioids.”
CDC: “An estimated 1 in 5 of all overdose deaths were due to methamphetamine.”
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/podcasts/20190911/20190911.htm
You might note, that one of the other policemen who had been helping to hold the dead guy down, told the now-imprisoned ex-cop, that the man HAD NO PULSE.
Got that?
HIS FELLOW COP ON THE SCENE RIGHT AT THAT EXACT MOMENT.
And Mr. Kneecap doesn't check for a pulse, he doesn't start CPR.
He keeps his knee on the dead guy's chest for another 2 minutes.
On camera. And in front of several (white) witnesses.
Learn how to read, OK?
I said his OWN car.
Yes, knee-on-neck cop briefly lost his smug face when he grabbed his mace canister from his belt and pointed it to prevent medical assistance for the dying man.
Rudy Giuliani offered a remarkably convincing case for 1st degree murder this afternoon. He described premeditation as the clock ticked each minute the dying man's multiple pleas were denied.
Meth and opiates on board. The cop did not kill him.
I've had people suggest to me (hypothetical, or a theory) that since Mr.Kneecap and the victim worked at the same nightclub (not the same shift), and the victim passed a bad $20, maybe he nightclub was a front for drugs or something else bad; and the victim was threatening to turn state's evidence or something.
Because Mr. Kneecap and his oriental partner -- ok, I've read they might be in-laws, so that might account for this too -- so Mr. Kneecap and his partner, both look awfully calm and nonchalant about holding a handcuffed man down by the neck until he's good and dead, on a public street, in broad daylight, on video, in front of witnesses.
Either Deep State trying to kick of a race way and high-up Dems in MN saying "Don't worry, we've got you covered" or some of the bad guys--by hypothesis above, threatening the compromised police?
Just a theory someone floated elsewhere.
Perry Mason couldn’t save him.
Racehorse Haynes could do it. He got T. Cullen Davis off. Twice.
“Say you sue me because you say my dog bit you,” he told the audience. “Well, now this is my defense: My dog doesn’t bite. And second, in the alternative, my dog was tied up that night. And third, I don’t believe you really got bit.” His final defense, he said, would be: “I don’t have a dog.”
This is a difficult case for the prosecution. George Floyd tox screen came back dirty, as expected, with his multiple busts for drugs. It will be difficult to prove that his heart stopped to neck compressions rather than effects of the drugs. The defense need not prove anything; just raise reasonable doubt.
Price v. County of San Diego, 990 F. Supp. 1230 (S.D. Cal. 1998) is a case where Daniel Price died after being restrained by hogtie. The Opinion of the Court is quite interesting.
The obvious question remains, however: What did cause Price's death? The Court finds that, as several expert witnesses testified, he most likely died from a cardiac arrest that occurred during his encounter with the deputies.[18] Numerous factors indicate that methamphetamine-induced toxic delirium caused this cardiac arrest.[19] First, Price had methamphetamine in his system when Dr. Eisele conducted the autopsy, which means that he had recently used it.[20] Second, methamphetamine irritates the heart and makes it more prone to a cardiac arrest. (Eisele Excerpt of Trial Tr. at 25, 27.) Third, Price had "internal derangements" within his heart that chronic methamphetamine abuse could have caused. (Id.) Fourth, methamphetamine can cause the body to release catecholamines (adrenaline) which also can irritate the heart. Dr. Eisele found catecholamines in Price's body. Fifth, Price had been acting in a bizarre fashion, which indicates that he was suffering from a methamphetamine-induced psychosis. (Neuman Excerpt of Trial Tr. at 34-35.) Sixth, Price developed a high fever at the hospital, which methamphetamine-induced toxic delirium frequently causes. (Id. at 36.) Seventh, while in the hospital, Price developed rhabdomyloysis, which is a breakdown of muscle cells. This is also a symptom of methamphetamine-induced toxic delirium.Dr. Neuman perfectly captured the cause of death when he made the following statement:
We have clear data that there is no respiratory component to the hogtie position. We also have clear data that Price was a chronic methamphetamine abuser. He had essentially all of the signs and symptoms of methamphetamine use, and he died a death that was completely consistent with toxic delirium secondary to methamphetamine use. To suppose anything *1241 else placed a significant role in his death is speculation.(Id. at 43.)
Moreover, Defendants' expert on methamphetamine abuse, Joseph Shannon, M.D., stated: "The only factor that can explain his death in and of itself was acute methamphetamine intoxication or excited delirium .... This is a highly lethal illness which may well have caused his death regardless of where he was, the restraints used or the struggle involved." (Shannon Excerpt of Trial Tr. at 7.)[21]
Thus, in the words of Dr. Neuman which the Court hereby adopts, "Mr. Price did not asphyxiate due to the hogtie position. Rather, the most obvious cause of death is toxic delirium secondary to methamphetamine abuse, which in turn caused Mr. Price to experience a cardiac arrest." (Neuman Decl. at 13.)
The story says the ME determined homicide not overdose.
I would have several questions for this medical examiner. First, did the police cause the heart attack, or did the fentanyl? If it was a fentanyl overdose that precipitated the heart attack, how can you tell that the officers‘s restraint exacerbate the heart attack? This trial may be a battle of experts as the defense will have a hired gun also.
There aren’t going to be any trials. He’ll take a plea deal for 20 years or whatever and the city will settle out of court for $50 million or whatever.
Did you read the details, or did you just look at the pictures?
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