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To: Valpal1
Floyd's dying cries of "I can't breathe!" were IMO not due to difficulty breathing, but rather to his own sense of oxygen deprivation to the brain which was the whole point of the cop's use of a carotid compression hold. The OBJECTIVE of a carotid compression hold is to deprive the subject's brain of blood-delivered oxygen and make him pass out.

Floyd's death was the predictable outcome of holding the carotid compression hold for several minutes after he passed out. Blood pressure soars during a carotid compression hold and, if it is held too long, a biological cascading event failure follows in which lots of things go wrong at once and it's a race to see which of those kills the victim first.

IMO 40-50% of normal people would have died from if they had been subjected to a carotid compression hold as long as Floyd was, and almost all of them would have been the most vulnerable to that sort of cascading event failure.

It really doesn't matter what the immediate medical reason was for Floyd's death. What counts in both civil and criminal law was what the very first cororner's report concluded, that the improper duration of the cop's compression hold "contributed to" Floyd's death. That's all the prosecution team in the cop's murder/manslaughter trial need prove to satisfy the "causation" element of murder.

What people should be focusing on here is that Floyd was TAKEN OUT OF THE PATROL CAR and subjected to the carotid compression hold. I.e., he had ALREADY BEEN SUBDUED when he was placed into the patrol car.

So why was Floyd taken out of the patrol car?

An inference can certainly be drawn that he was removed from the patrol car to kill him, and that means a first degree murder charge is possible. Plus the other three oficers present are vulnerable to conspiracy to commit murder charges.

The issue of why Floyd was removed from the patrol car is far more important than the immediate medical cause of death. The immediate medical cause of death from being shot in the heart is heart failure - the heart stopped beating.

97 posted on 06/01/2020 4:42:18 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

You sir are correct, and have a fine fact based reasoning process...


101 posted on 06/01/2020 4:44:26 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Thud

Nobody has seen the body cam footage, which would probably answer that question.

If they find witnesses to any altercations or dust ups between the two at the bar they both worked at, expect charges to be upgraded.


105 posted on 06/01/2020 4:49:29 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Thud

he fought getting into the car.
he fought being handcuffed

he was never secured and in the car .
he was huge like 6’6 ‘
and high on drugs guy.
and fighting .

no one in test state can go off in a car unsecured .

So was is your point ?


106 posted on 06/01/2020 4:51:30 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: Thud
The issue of why Floyd was removed from the patrol car is far more important than the immediate medical cause of death. The immediate medical cause of death from being shot in the heart is heart failure - the heart stopped beating.

The obvious answer is they could not secure him because he was resisting.

Remember Freddy Gray?

The police were criminally charged, because did not secure Gray (with a seat belt) before they transported him.

Have you any idea how hard it is for an officer, at most two, to try to get a seat belt on an wildly resisting 6'7", extremely muscular man, who has his legs free and does not want that seat belt on?

They could not leave him in the car, because he might have severely injured himself.

They had to get him out and restrain him.

At one point, three officers are on top of him, to restrain him, alongside the car.

He was a giant of a guy, and it appears he was high on possibly multiple drugs.

A person in handcuffs can do a lot of damage.

And, of course, they had to get him out of the car to be ready to be placed in the ambulance they had called for.

108 posted on 06/01/2020 4:53:41 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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