[chris37]

What I don’t understand is how we have opposing autopsy results.

Asphyxia causes visible indicators on the body. They indicators are either there, or they are not.

We either have a corrupt state ME covering for police misdeeds, or we have a corrupt ME telling a family what it wants to hear.

This is a significant problem.

[snarkytart]

idk but I wouldn’t trust Baden or Wecht(sic?)

[Valpal1]

“Asphyxia causes visible indicators on the body”

Not actually true, especially in slow pressure stranglings vs. violent chokings or when there is a ligature.

It is arguable that the reduction of blood flow to the brain by pressure on one carotid plus reduced oxygenation of his blood from the knees in the back compressing his lungs reduced the o2 to his brain over the almost 10 minutes enough to stop his heart.

It’s the violent pressure that causes 100% stoppage of oxygen that results in visible indicators and a much quicker death.

[Zhang Fei]

[We either have a corrupt state ME covering for police misdeeds]

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You have to be joking. If the mayor and/or governor could, they’d have personally stuck the needle in Chauvin’s arm the moment the incident became nationwide news. The idea that *any* politician, Dem or GOP, will stick up for cops in a race-tinted altercation is a chimera. Even the GOP will throw cops to the wolves. Chauvin hasn’t been convicted yet, but Trump is making very sympathetic noises about the deceased. The pressure was on the examiner to make up something that nailed Chauvin’s rear end to the wall. So he threw in something peripheral that wouldn’t result in him getting his license yanked for fakery under political pressure for murder one, yet gave enough for the prosecutor to have grounds for a murder three case.

[flamberge]

Asphyxia causes visible indicators on the body. They indicators are either there, or they are not.

Well, for one thing the MN examiner could simply be lying. This would be my bet.

Another thing to consider is that a blood choke will have different and more subtle indicators than an air choke. The MN examiner appears to have weasel-worded the preliminary report. The revised version seems to back off quite a bit from the original conclusions and does not exonerate the Officer.

The video shows a position that would have compressed the carotid artery, causing a blood choke. Even while not directly causing death, this can induce a heart attack which may cause death.

I believe that the Officer caused this death by deliberately using an unsound, unsafe, and unnecessary control technique. I am astonished and dismayed that that same technique is still included in the rules and procedures book.

[Amberdawn]

I think if someone is asphyxiated by being sat on won’t show the petechiae we think of from a neck strangulation. Someone can die of asphyxia from being in a sealed container for instance.