Posted on 05/29/2020 1:55:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
So what if he was intoxicated. It has no bearing on the actions of the officer. George Floyd was alive until the police put his knee on his neck.
No phone line needed. Just read the documents that are out there.
It goes on to say that this maneuver must stop as soon as the suspect asks for help. Why did you leave that out?
2. Breaking the law, or being suspected of it, does NOT mean you are fair game for anything the police want to do to you. The vast majority of police believe this and act accordingly, and we are very fortunate to have such people working to protect our communities. That said, those few who do not respect the responsibility that comes with their badge should not be empowered as police officers.
3. No, I do not ask my patients if they own a gun. If I had that mindset I wouldn't be on this site.
Number three raises another point that I think needs to be addressed here. Jim Robinson has put together a site that has helped and comforted a lot of people who feel like their voices and their beliefs were not respected or heard in the world we live in. He deserves tremendous respect for that. As such, we should all treat each other well here, and respect each other’s opinions - even if we don't agree with them.
Probably 99% of people on this site have great respect for the demands of police work, and for those who put their lives at risk for us. That doesn't mean we have to defend the actions of every police officer.
The difference to me is that in the Diamond shooting, Noor was panicky and acted irresponsibly. A woman died and he was convicted of murdering her. In this case the officer acted deliberately but still irresponsibly. A man died and he'll go on trial for it. If convicted I think that a sentence approaching the one Noor got would be fair. But certainly nothing higher.
Again,my attitude is substantially colored by this autopsy report.If the report had read "pressure applied to the neck clearly caused the demise of the deceased " I'd support 15...20...or even more.
Kneeling on his neck contributed to it. Sure, if he hadn't had the heart issue he wouldn't have died. But if they weren't kneeling on his neck he wouldn't have died either.
Because physical force was being used at the moment of death, other medical factors don't absolve the police of responsibility.
Floyd died while the cop was kneeling on his neck, regardless of the actual cause. If he did indeed die from unrelated causes, then that's the officer's bad luck.
As another poster pointed out, shooting someone who has jumped from the Golden Gate bridge makes you a murderer, even if the ME rules that they died from the fall.
He left out the part that they prefer use on the shoulder blade, but regardless all maneuvers must stop and medical help must be rendered immediately if a suspect says they can’t breath or something is wrong.
As have you.
Facts are stupid and should be ignored, right?
Facts are what I'm going on. You can rely on your opinion if you want.
You should try to get on jury duty, you would be good.
Pass, thanks.
You don’t care what that cop did to him? Whoa.
I’m glad I don’t know you. In fact this will be the last post to you.
All true. And had the officer not knelt on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes he probably would still be alive as well. But he did and now he's charged with murder.
That doesn’t mean he deserved a death squad, but what the police did to him is a separate issue.
But he is dead and the actions of the officer contributed to that.
Bye!
I have no interest in debating you - so will drop the back and forth, as I suspect you have a fixed opinion. I don’t.
If you have all the facts then please tell us all what the toxicology report says. Thanks.
Good explanation.
BTW, the length of time involved was eight minutes and 46 seconds.
Long enough to asphyxiate the victim.
Thank you for the logic and knowledge.
Both are in short supply.
Don’t let the negative comments get you down!
And what do you expect that to prove?
The local DFL party in MN is completely different than when Hubert Humphrey was in the party. We should call it the DMA party Democratic Muslim Anarchist’s party, because no Farmer or labor union member would ever vote DFL/DMA. The mayor is anti police and go’s out of his way to denigrate the police force every day. This is all caused by the lack of Democratic leadership that refuses to understand there needs to be civic discipline for everyone. I live in a suburb nearby.
I also think that uncertainty was causing a delay in filing charges. If an autopsy determines that George Floyd died not from asphyxiation but due to an unrecognized heart defect or disease and illegal drug use, then murder charges would not be wellfounded. Charges of illegal use of force would still be possible, with the line prosecutors wanting to add other charges if possible and waiting until the investigation was complete before filing anything.
With Minneapolis beginning to burn, the career prosecutors were probably told to file murder charges based on what they had and to let the courts sort it out later. As a matter of professionalism, career prosecutors hate that sort of thing because they end up looking like idiots in court and with their names on a losing court case when big ticket murder charges are dismissed.
“””” If you have all the facts then please tell us all what the toxicology report says. Thanks.
And what do you expect that to prove? “”””””””””
Maybe he was hopped up on fentanyl. Or maybe not.
I know that getting all the facts is unheard of to you but I will wait and find out. I will let you know how it goes.
His training officer did not testify against him until compelled to in court, they mysteriously had their body cameras off and the brass tried to protect the shooter. There have also been other use-of-force lawsuits where MPD was caught destroying evidence.
Sorry, I don’t trust this city at all. Have an impartial ME from another state examine the body.
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