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To: Kaslin

Ms. Charen is lying.

More information could change the picture, but to best information so far:

Eric Garner violently attacked the police, when they arrested him for a minor crime which he was repeatedly committing. The stress of the fight he started triggered a fatal heart attack. His death was entirely his own fault.

Ahmaud Arbery had gone past the McMichaels, turned, charged them, punched one, and tried to wrestle his shotgun away from him. This was all recorded. Punching people and taking their stuff are crimes, unless there is a positive reason for them. So far, no one has found any such reason. Arbery was violent criminal. Attacking two men with guns, when you are unarmed (until he was wrestling for McMichael’s gun, at which point both are considered armed, I’m told), is nuts, besides being criminal. To best information so far, Arbery was the only wrongdoer here, and his death was his own fault.

Mr. Cooper had, in fact, threatened both Ms. Cooper and her dog. For her to report to the police that she was being threatened, was exactly correct. Describing a black man as a black man, when reporting something to the police, was the right thing to do. The police should get descriptions when you’re reporting something to them, to help an officer identify the people involved, when he arrives. Both Coopers were in the wrong: She for allowing her dog to run without a leash, he for threatening her. But calling the police, and reporting the threat, was not wrong. Ms. Charen wrote “There was zero reason to tell the dispatcher that the man was African American.” Ms. Charen was not just wrong, her claim is stupid. Descriptions are appropriate when complaining of threats.

Of this list, only George Floyd was wronged. He attacked the police, and was in the wrong, but nothing he did remotely justified them strangling and killing him. But there is still zero evidence of racism here. If I knew that the police would not do that to a white man who attacked them, there would be, but I don’t know that. To claim racism here is an unjustified speculation. It’s a reasonable speculation, but to claim it is proven, when there is no evidence for it, is lying.

Ms. Charen overall thesis is a condemnation of white racism—which, so far, exists entirely in her own head. The incidents she cites as examples, do not show any such thing.


16 posted on 05/29/2020 5:36:34 AM PDT by Keb
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To: Keb

Ahmaud Arbery......agree with you on this incident. Trying to grab a shotgun from an armed man is crazy.


19 posted on 05/29/2020 5:41:25 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Keb

I was with you until Mr Cooper. Your analysis there is outrageous. It is not incumbent on him or anyone else to allow someone to wantonly break the rules, rules absolutely necessary for a bird sanctuary, simply because it suits the rule breaker. She said the dog needed exercise so she was planning to let it run in the refuge.

If he had bellowed at her, charged her, actually threatened her instead of implying he would offer her dog a treat & she wouldn’t like it then it would have been threatening behavior.

Instead she screamed at him, charged him, on video, and did a great imitation of a 2 year old temper tantrum while he calmly said, great call the police, thank you and please don’t come any closer.

This puts the lie to your construction. He wanted the police to deescalate the situation and remove the unleashed dog that could have disturbed the ground nesting birds. His sister posted the video and he said that he was sorry Ms Cooper lost her job, that it was an over reaction.

In short her behavior was exposed and she was judged as a liability to the company. You need a better class of victim. This lady was a bully & a spoiled brat. I do not think she was racist. She never would have charged him if she truly thought he was a threat. If she was intimidated she would have put the leash on & kept walking.

I think she just knew that racism was a tool she could use to intimidate Mr Cooper, along with the fact that she was a woman (victim). How many black men, how many men have been arrested and imprisoned by a woman who wanted to exert power over a man, for revenge, for fun, to get something she wanted? If it is an uneven playing field I think the civilized person is handicapped while people like MS Cooper have the edge because of their ruthlessness and willingness to lie and put on an act.


29 posted on 05/29/2020 6:09:31 AM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance. Nemo me impune lacessit!)
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To: Keb

“Ahmaud Arbery had gone past the McMichaels, turned, charged them, punched one, and tried to wrestle his shotgun away from him. This was all recorded. Punching people and taking their stuff are crimes, unless there is a positive reason for them.”

Arbery had not gone past the McMichaels
The punching and wrestling occurred after the first shot was fired.
There was a positive reason for Arbery’s actions, he was defending himself against two armed thugs.


32 posted on 05/29/2020 6:14:31 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Keb
The stress of the fight he started triggered a fatal heart attack. His death was entirely his own fault.

Entirely? At some point he was restrained, but struggling because he couldn't breathe. The police should have recognized that.

62 posted on 05/29/2020 7:13:05 AM PDT by x
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To: Keb

Eric Garner brought his situation on himself, and it was tragic, and she is flatly wrong.

The Arbery issue is a very muddled mess, and akin to what the left *claimed* happened in the Zimmerman case.


94 posted on 05/29/2020 11:10:22 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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