Newly released Ahmaud Arbery video shows 2017 shoplifting arrest

The New York Post ^ | May 19, 2020 | Jorge Fitz-Gibbon

[dragnet2]

He wasn’t a neighbor...neither of them lived there.

Where did they live?

[dragnet2]

Then he got scared because of the shotgun and tried to get it away from them.

I see. He was scared so he ran towards and attacked the neighbor with the shotgun. That's a really strange way for a scared person to behave.

[UCANSEE2]

That said, the men who shot him didn’t know any of this

Not true. The elder McMichael knew ALL ABOUT Mr. Abery.

[hanamizu]

The elder McMichael knew ALL ABOUT Mr. Abery.

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I think he was an ex-leo, but did he, in fact know about Arbery’s record?

[JimSp]

So you’ve bought into the leftist vile mainstream news media’s storyline about the shooting? How woke of you!

[DiogenesLamp]

Nonsense. I'm pointing out the simple fact that a shop-lifting arrest in his past does not explain in any way his shooting and death.

Of course not. What explains his shooting death is being stupid enough to attack a man with a shotgun.

I thought that was pretty self evident.

[DiogenesLamp]

Question is what legal right did the redneck have to confront him with a shotgun in a street.

He had an absolute right to do so. The man's a thief, he'd been caught numerous times on video, and he attacked the man holding a shotgun.

You run up and hit a man with a shotgun and try to take it away from him, you are a dead fool.

[DiogenesLamp]

No it won’t. They will both be acquitted. Self defense trumps crap criminal attacking someone every day of the week.

[DiogenesLamp]

He may have been a petty criminal, but these guys should not have taken the law into their own hands.

They did not do so. Everything they did, including shooting that criminal, was legal.

[DiogenesLamp]

Then he got scared because of the shotgun and tried to get it away from them.

No. Someone scared of a shotgun (all normal people) will not "try to get it away from them." They will either run away, or do whatever the guy with the shotgun tells them to do.

Only an insane fool will try to take on a man with a shotgun.

[Arones]

So. What.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

That won’t hold up in court, Matlock

[Reeses]

That’s why I think a trial is absolutely warranted here: we know a man is dead, but we don’t know exactly why.

A trial is not supposed to be an investigation. During a trial, lawyers only ask questions they already know the answer to. A trial is warranted only if the finished investigation gathered enough evidence that the likelihood of a murder conviction is very high.

[BobL]

“We don’t have any TV”

Flynn judge: PERJURY! Lock him up.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Of course not. What explains his shooting death is being stupid enough to attack a man with a shotgun.

What explains his shooting death is the man who shot him, who is in jail and will soon be on trial for his death. Pointing a gun at a passing stranger and then shooting him when he objects is not an explanation, it's an admission of guilt to a criminal act.

[DiogenesLamp]

That won’t hold up in court, Matlock

Nothing is going to help in court. If they were basing this on law and common sense, they wouldn't be holding a trial at all.

This is a show trial. The outcome will hinge entirely on the sort of people they put on the jury, not the facts.

[DiogenesLamp]

Pointing a gun at a passing stranger...

False. Don't repeat lies.

No gun was pointed at the thief until the thief started running at the man with the shotgun. Get it right. Don't spread lies.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

No gun was pointed at the thief until the thief started running at the man with the shotgun. Get it right. Don't spread lies.

Fine, let's talk about lies. The shooters had no way to know that the victim had stolen anything from them or anyone else. Stop lying about that. Second, the video clearly shows the rifle aimed at the victim when he rushed his assailant. Stop lying about that.

[Fred911]

As a CCW holder in FL, I would not have put myself in the position to confront this POS. This was a no win situation. While I have no doubt these two white guys saved the taxpayer from having to support this future convict, it was not a good shoot. Call me crazy, but I’m not gonna chase down a thief and draw my weapon. It’s too difficult to defend in court.
These two concerned citizens about to learn that the hard way.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

I think a trial is warranted if the investigation shows a criminal act was committed and that conviction is reasonably high. If we only ever bothered trying to prosecute slam-dunk cases, we’d barely have any criminals in prison.

Also, I think that given what’s been released so far, a prosecution narrative of this being a well-meaning encounter handled poorly is a much easier sell and lends itself to manslaughter. Murder requires they prove ill intent going into the encounter. Manslaughter removes the burden of proving intent or mindset and looks simply at what took place.