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Only Partial Protection: Oxford vaccine may not stop people from becoming infectious, experts warn
Metro UK News ^ | 05/19/2020 | Sam Courtney-Guy

Posted on 05/19/2020 10:02:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Experts have warned the coronavirus vaccine being developed by Oxford University may fall short of ‘gold standard’ protection after test monkeys appeared to become infected.

The government announced £65.5 million in new funding for the project yesterday, days after researchers published findings suggesting their vaccine had protected the test subjects against illness.

Two of the three non-vaccinated rhesus macaque monkeys developed pneumonia after exposure to the virus, whereas none of the six vaccinated monkeys did.

The monkeys were given half the dose of the same treatment currently being trialled on humans, and did not show signs of experiencing side effects.

But traces of the virus were still found in the noses of the vaccinated monkeys and three of them displayed faster breathing.

Other infectious disease experts have warned this indicates the vaccine does not stop subjects from becoming infected, even if it helps their immune system fight off the virus.

William Haseltine, a former Harvard Medical School professor who helped pioneer early HIV/Aids treatments, said: ‘There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected [in the noses of] vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals.

‘Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected.’

Writing in Forbes on Saturday, he also claimed the potency of the vaccine serum was ‘extremely low’ compared to most effective vaccines, an obstacle which could make it difficult to mass-produce.

Dr Haseltine argued the Oxford scientists’ data did not properly back their claim that the vaccine protected the monkeys and warned against pressing ahead with testing on humans.

The gold standard for vaccines is to provide ‘sterilising immunity’, which stops the virus from infecting its host.

(Excerpt) Read more at metro.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: covid19; oxford; vaccine

1 posted on 05/19/2020 10:02:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

SOME SEE THE GLASS AS HALF EMPTY, OTHERS SEE THE GLASS AS HALF FULL:

Doctors do not necessarily reject partially effective vaccines if they are the best option to fight a disease, as with HIV, tuberculosis and malaria.

Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, told The Times today: ‘The fact that the vaccine prevented pneumonia in all, and symptoms in some, of the vaccinated animals is encouraging — we know that many vaccines work because they prevent serious disease rather than preventing virus infection.


2 posted on 05/19/2020 10:04:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I’ve got mine (my vaccination), have you gotten yours?”


3 posted on 05/19/2020 10:06:57 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SeekAndFind

Then it will be just like the flu vaccine...


4 posted on 05/19/2020 10:09:28 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Mocking Liberals is not only a right, but the duty of all Americans.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When it comes to vaccines and medicine in general, it can be:

- safe
- effective
- developed quickly

Choose two of the three.


5 posted on 05/19/2020 10:15:40 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SeekAndFind

“Experts have warned ...”

Translation: Let’s wait for some results because the “experts” probably have stepped on their foreskins again.

As usual.


6 posted on 05/19/2020 10:28:15 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

[[SOME SEE THE GLASS AS HALF EMPTY, OTHERS SEE THE GLASS AS HALF FULL:]]

Some see the glass and think “Oh Just Great- another dish to wash”


7 posted on 05/19/2020 10:31:33 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: SeekAndFind

[[Doctors do not necessarily reject partially effective vaccines if they are the best option to fight a disease,]]

No but apparently many do reject medicines even if they are the best option we have right now, ones that are used off label, IF President Trump announces them on TV and takes them himself

[[‘The fact that the vaccine prevented pneumonia in all,]]

How do they know it did? Did they intentionally try to induce pneumonia in the animals to find out the vaccine prevented it from happening?

Many millions of people never developed pneumonia with the virus naturally- no vaccine needed-

IF however they tried to induce pneumonia and it failed to develop- then yeah- it is working- i guess- preventing a more serious condition


8 posted on 05/19/2020 10:36:19 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: SeekAndFind

[[Two of the three non-vaccinated rhesus macaque monkeys developed pneumonia after exposure to the virus, whereas none of the six vaccinated monkeys did. ]]

That tells us nothing- millions of people don’t develop pneumonia without getting a vaccine- some do- that sentence does not mean the monkeys couldn’t at some point develop it- and it was only 9 monkeys they tested- Those 6 that didn’t get pneumonia probably never would have even if not given the vaccine-


9 posted on 05/19/2020 10:39:52 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Cowboy Bob

ie shiity


10 posted on 05/19/2020 11:04:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Only Partial Protection"

Like the regular flu "vaccine," which is sometimes effective in as little as 10% of users. See table at source: wikipedia

11 posted on 05/19/2020 11:14:14 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the best kept secrets around is BHT short for butylated hydroxy toluene.

It has been around for the better part of thirty years or more, has been approved as a food additive by the FDA as safe for human consumption in small quantities and using common sense. Without going into all the details which would fill many pages some of the benefits are difficult to ignore even so pharmaceutical as well as the medical profession does their best to do so. As a prophylactic it would serve its purpose very well until the right vaccine comes along, without any undesirable side effects, besides being inexpensive and is safer than alcohol consumption, use of tobacco or many other unhealthy eating habits, including many prescription dugs with many undesirable side effects.

Some of the reasons are that that there is no money to be made by pharmaceutical companies as patents related to BHT ran out long time ago and in order to have it approved for medical application it would require an immeasurable amounts of human tests with expenditures in the millions of Dollars which most likely will never be recovered.

On the other hand many doctors may know about it but will refrain from suggesting it as recommending anything which is not approved by the FDA would leave them wide open to lawsuits, as it is pretty well known that one of the American dreams is, to fall on your neighbors property and then sue them for what ever they can get.

Over the years enough information about BHT has surfaced that if used in small quantities to achieve a particular result, such as from 100 mg to about 1g (one gram or 1000mg) and in most cases 250mg to 450mg may do a nice job for some of the things suggested, it may be less harmful than an equivalent amount of Aspirins. Again do your own research and use common sense which appears to be in short supply these days. Should you decide to try don’t go overboard with it, as more is not always better.

Even so if you still apprehensive or hesitant, use it only when one of those nasty viruses appears on the scene and use it as a prophylactic in a small quantity perhaps up to 450 mg and once the danger subside stop taking it. The catch is that in order to do its job BHT works better before you get sick, as BHT will NOT REPAIR ANY DAMAGE which may already have been done by an infectious disease such as the corona virus. Even so if taken afterwards BHT will still continue to disable lipid covered viruses, but to repair any damage already caused may require different medications.

So why to take BHT on the firs place? It has been long known that BHT will damage the lipid layer or cover from LIPID COVERED viruses and the coronavirus happens to be just such a virus and by doing so will prevent such a virus from attaching itself and do its dirty work.

The Principal Benefits of BHT

In order of importance, supplementing with BHT can help with:

Reduce and prevent viral infections such as herpes, thus terminating their outbreaks. Also BHT is effective against many different human and animal viruses including CMV (cytomegalovirus),9 pseudorabies,10 genital herpes,11HIV,12 and some strains of influenza.13 Just a few but not all of the viruses that have a lipid envelope and may be treated by BHT include herpes simplex I, herpes simplex II, herpes zoster, CMV, West Nile virus, HIV virus, influenza virus, hepatitis B and C viruses, avian flu influenza virus and the SARS virus. However, BHT has not been clinically tested to treat these infections, and there probably never will be as no money can be made.

The CORONAVIRUS is also a lipid covered virus and BHT affects the lipid covering and in turn prevents the virus from attaching itself and do its damage. Now keep in mind that very few things in life are perfect and this holds true for vaccines as well. So when everything comes down to being cut and dried, do you prefer risking being infected with a nasty virus with all kinds of unpredictable side effects or take a chance with some substance which overall has a very good safety record.

Besides most viruses will mutate over time, and by the time someone may come up with the proper vaccine it may no longer match the virus which is currently making its round. But BHT doesn’t care if such a virus mutates or not. As long as such a virus has a lipid coating it will damage it and disable such a virus.

The only articles I ever came across so far were that BHT and LIPID COVERED viruses don’t get along as BHT will damage and deactivate them. I never heard the opposite. Of course it never works 100 % but neither do vaccines.

One of my hunches is, of course it is only speculation and is based on common sense. As BHT interferes with a Lipid covered virus and deactivates it, some viruses may sneak by and there will also be a given amount of viruses which have been deactivated and no longer are able to cause any harm. However whatever remains in form of deactivated viruses or some which may have snuck by may be just enough to wake up our immune system to fight the real life virus should you become infected.

Basically this how immunization generally works, by injecting a deactivated virus then hope our immune system responds to it and begins to fight the real thing by means of antibodies it has developed in he mean time. I for one and I am quite sure there are many others, have been using BHT off and on for the past thirty years whenever one of these flu like viruses made their rounds and so far had pretty good luck with it.
If you are interested enough you may want to watch this short movie clip on YopuTube………

BHT and Coronavirus | LIFE EXTENSION BOOK RESEARCH ...
www.youtube.com › watch


12 posted on 05/19/2020 11:16:37 AM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Didn’t work—good try! Keep going.


13 posted on 05/19/2020 11:55:57 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

10 percent? That’s very ineffective.


14 posted on 05/19/2020 12:10:34 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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