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California Defines Testing Down. Ignoring faculty, the UC president wants to drop the SAT and ACT.
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 17, 2020 | WSJ Editorial Board

Posted on 05/18/2020 7:00:10 AM PDT by karpov

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To: karpov

Dropping the SAT and ACT? So what? Skin color already outweighed those scores anyway, didn’t it?


21 posted on 05/18/2020 8:08:23 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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To: JustTheTruth

Too many Asian students? Too few from more favored minorities?


You see, that’s where it gets tricky. Asians are “people of color” when it comes to things like origins of diseases, but they aren’t “people of color” when it comes to college (and in the case of NYC, HS) admissions.


22 posted on 05/18/2020 8:12:43 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: karpov

California wants additional Revenue. ACT and SAT have known about this threat for a long time and have tried to diversify their offerings


23 posted on 05/18/2020 8:13:43 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: FreedomPoster
Resumes from graduates of any college that doesn’t use them should go straight to the round file.

Well, the one benefit from the pandemic is that make-work office jobs for pseudo-educated affirmative action graduates are going to dry up - fast.

24 posted on 05/18/2020 8:16:37 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: karpov

Democrats want to dumb down society to the level of their obedient, easily controlled constituents.


25 posted on 05/18/2020 8:19:02 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: karpov

Back when I was applying for college, the UC system, on paper, accepted the top 1/8 of HS grads, the state college system the top 1/4 and the city/community college system any HS grad. Somewhat foolishly I only applied to UC even though my HS GPA was something like 2.9. But I was good at standardized tests and got in with my SAT scores. My rejection and acceptance letters arrived within a week of each other. Graduated in four years which was pretty standard for the time, but is somewhat exceptional now.


26 posted on 05/18/2020 8:19:23 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: karpov

Every applicant should claim “Native American” background.

Let the universities choke on their racism.


27 posted on 05/18/2020 8:27:21 AM PDT by cgbg (New poll: post elderly voters like Biden's experience as Wilson's VP fighting the Spanish Flu.)
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To: eyeamok

I have taught for 16 years here in Los Angeles and this is my last year. My employment terminates June 30. I just cannot take it any more. A huge chunk of the kids who can’t read are designated Special Ed, and if you fail them and they have litigious parents, look out. The pressure to just pass as many kids as you can is immense. And the prevailing attitude of administration is, if that child didn’t pass, what did you do wrong? His IEP says he gets preferential seating, so did you put him in the front row? What? You have 12 Sped kids in that class and only 6 front row seats? Well, put them all in the first two ro— what? Our last PD said not to put them all together or they just screw around all period? Well, I know it’s difficult but you have to find a way to make sure you’re following 12 different IEPs and differentiating for them plus the regular students and any gifted ones. Do you need some more training or time to work on your lesson plans? How about Saturday? You learn to pass any kids who do a modicum of work. And if testing shows they can’t read past the 2nd grade level, well, they are Special Ed, it’s not their fault! You can’t discriminate against them based on their disability! That’s illegal! The whole thing is a farce and I am out. I have 4 more weeks to go and then I am leaving California.


28 posted on 05/18/2020 8:28:20 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Unreal.


29 posted on 05/18/2020 8:44:09 AM PDT by GnuThere
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To: A_perfect_lady

Wow! Thank you for your real-life report from the front lines. It must be immensely frustrating for teachers who really want to educate kids to have to work in such a situation with such unmotivated kids.


30 posted on 05/18/2020 10:45:48 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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It is an absolute misery. And now we are told we cannot fail any student this year (and this is high school) nor can we give them a lower grade than what they had on March 13 when it all began. So if a kid left school on March 13 with a 13% (yes, I have some) and you never hear from him again, he still passes. Now they are trying to make it hard to even give a D; you have to have consulted with his parents (who don't answer the emails) the school's "support staff," and an administrator for each D you give.

And the kids know it, by the way. So the Honors students, who are not necessarily gifted, but are hard working and cooperative, about 70% of them are still trying. (And literally, a 9th grade Honors student in L.A. means a kid who can read at 6th grade level, turns in all her work, and doesn't start fires.) But the rest of them? About 70% seem to have vanished. They could have left the country for all I know. But if they had a bare 70% in March (and you should see the contortions I have to go through to coax even that much out of them) then they are passing in June. Period.

It's such a relief to my mind and my digestive system that I am quitting. I can't believe I have operated in this fiasco for 16 years.

31 posted on 05/18/2020 11:47:42 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: karpov

Absent a selection mechanism, many underqualified will
be admitted and die a rapid death when mixed with the
cut throat high performers. The coddling is over a week into the first quarter. Darwinian academics. Perform or GTFO.


32 posted on 05/18/2020 7:10:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: hanamizu

Revelle, UCSD grad here. Started Jan 1974, graduated June 1976. Age 19. BA Molecular Biology, minor Psychology, language proficiency in German (SAT II written plus orals with a German grad student). 18 to 22 units every quarter. Summer quarter was 12 for lack of options.


33 posted on 05/18/2020 7:21:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: A_perfect_lady

I have a classmate teaching 5th grade in LAUSD. A nightmare.
She is ready to wrap it up as well. Good luck on your exit.


34 posted on 05/18/2020 7:27:13 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: A_perfect_lady

People who aren’t in education have no idea how bad things are. Special Ed/IEP students have first call on a district’s resources. If regular classroom teachers have to be let go to provide for the special ed kid’s needs, so be it. The law requires that they be educated in the least restrictive way possible. That means they have to be in the regular classroom as much as possible, no matter how disruptive they are. Tourette’s syndrome where they shout whatever comes to mind—too bad. Oppositional Defiance Disorder, where they don’t like to do what they’re told, you have to cope with it. The fact that none of the normal kids in the class have a prayer of learning anything is beside the point. The IEP kids come first.

Good luck. Hope you find a better state!


35 posted on 05/18/2020 7:46:25 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Myrddin

We had a special program at the time (1960s) that encouraged one to take and pass 15 hours per quarter/semester. It was called the draft. If you weren’t on track to graduate in 4 years, you might get inducted.

For freshmen an added wrinkle was the UC system had a test to see if you could write at the college level. If you failed, you had to take a class called ‘Subject A’. It cost extra, and more importantly, you got no credit. You had to pass the class before you could take the required English courses. But the ‘no credit’ part meant you could be vulnerable to being called up.


36 posted on 05/18/2020 7:54:30 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu
People who aren’t in education have no idea how bad things are. Special Ed/IEP students have first call on a district’s resources....

Yep. And I'm pretty sure it has to do with litigious parents. I've met a couple. We had an autistic boy that freaked out and got violent, more than once. And he was 14 and getting tall. It was bad. I'm so relieved to be getting out. It's a mad house.

37 posted on 05/18/2020 8:04:50 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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the top obstacle for minority students is not testing but failing to complete required high-school courses.

So send the minority kids on to college without the required high school courses. That's smart.

38 posted on 05/18/2020 8:15:49 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: A_perfect_lady

“...litigious parents.”


Most IEP parents in my part of the world don’t know how much legal power they have over the local school. Our school had to pay a dad to bring his kid to school every day because we didn’t have a wheelchair-friendly bus. One of our 14 year olds (IEP) threatened to come to school and shoot the superintendent. He was suspended, but only for a limited time, because he has an IEP.


39 posted on 05/18/2020 8:29:24 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: A_perfect_lady

https://youtu.be/bYsztoaU9Ls


40 posted on 05/18/2020 8:51:35 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (QE 2020. All Quiet on the Western Front)
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