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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s my take on this entire death count issue ( and the author said it better than me ):

There may be four types of recorded coronavirus deaths:

(1) deaths only caused by COVID-19 (roughly 3 percent),

(2) deaths in which COVID-19 ended the life of someone already struggling with health conditions,

(3) deaths from other causes but after a patient had tested positive for the virus, and

(4) deaths falsely marked “COVID-19” when there was not even a test.

Deaths of type 1 and 2 are rightly considered coronavirus deaths, while deaths of type 3 are much harder to distinguish from type 2, and deaths of type 4 are completely inflating the numbers.

The question to ask is this — in our statistics, HOW MANY PERCENT ARE TYPE 3 and 4?


3 posted on 05/16/2020 7:51:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The question to ask is this — in our statistics, HOW MANY PERCENT ARE TYPE 3 and 4?"

I even wonder about your category 2: People who were struggling with some other condition but died of corona virus. I don't know how this is handled with other diseases. If someone has a heart attack, is hospitalized, and dies in the hospital of a fever or pneumonia, is the cause of death attributed to the heart attack or to the fever or pneumonia?

My mother died a couple years ago at 97; she had Type II diabetes and congestive heart failure, but did not die of any specific complication of either, but of "old age." She was not hospitalized, and just faded away.

As for your categories 3 and 4, I have no idea how many people fall into those groups. Based on what I've been hearing, I know it is "some," but whether its 1% or 5% or 10 % or 25% or 50%, I have no idea, and no basis for choosing a figure.

Given the state of today's journalism, and even of our medical profession, we may never know the answer, and many have a vested interest in preventing the question from even being asked.
10 posted on 05/16/2020 8:24:12 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear “Seekandfind”

This is about the 20th time I have rebutted your ludicrous death count idiocy. When there are excess deaths above historical norms, they are being caused by something new and different. This year Covid19 is the new and different disease that is causing excess deaths. Is there any way this will eventually sink into your feeble mind? There have been 20,316 confirmed or probably Covid deaths in NYC since March 28th. There have been 13,633 deaths since March 11th in NYC from ALL OTHER CAUSES. The normal death rate in NYC is 158 per day.
Non-Covid deaths have been running at 201 per day which is higher than normal. Covid deaths have been 461 per day over the last 44 days. If Covid is not causing these deaths what is, pray tell, my dear SeekandFind Chinese propaganda troll?

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-05152020.pdf
from 4:30 reports
Date NYC Deaths 450
3-28 222 672
3-29 104 776
3-30 136 914
3-31 182 1096
4-1 278 1374
4-2 188 1562
4-3 305 1867
4-4 387 2254 244.94%
4-5 218 2472 137.97%
4-6 266 2738 168.35%
4-7 806 3544 510.13%
4-8 716 4260 453.16%
4-9 518 4778 327.85%
4-10 651 5429 412.03%
4-11 313 5742 198.10%
4-12 440 6182 278.48%
4-13 1167 7349 738.61%
4-14 556 7905 351.90%
4-15 2462 10367 1558.23%
4-16 1110 11477 702.53%
4-17 1235 12712 781.65%
4-18 528 13240 334.18%
4-19 443 13683 280.38%
4-20 744 14427 470.89%
4-21 565 14992 357.59%
4-22 419 15411 265.19%
4-23 437 15,848 276.58%
4-24 422 16,270 267.09%
4-25 403 16,673 255.06%
4-28 542 17,215 343.04%
4-29 374 17,589 236.71%
4-30 277 17,866 175.32%
5-1 365 18,231 231.01%
5-2 51 18,282 32.28%
5-3 424 18,706 268.35%
5-4 401 19,107 253.80%
5-5 190 19,297 120.25%
5-6 243 19,540 153.80%
5-7 162 19,702 102.53%
5-8 107 19,809
5-9 122 19,931 77.22%
5-11 125 20,056 79.11%
5-12 260 20,316 164.56%

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-05152020.pdf


16 posted on 05/16/2020 10:00:36 AM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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