Dear “Seekandfind”
This is about the 20th time I have rebutted your ludicrous death count idiocy. When there are excess deaths above historical norms, they are being caused by something new and different. This year Covid19 is the new and different disease that is causing excess deaths. Is there any way this will eventually sink into your feeble mind? There have been 20,316 confirmed or probably Covid deaths in NYC since March 28th. There have been 13,633 deaths since March 11th in NYC from ALL OTHER CAUSES. The normal death rate in NYC is 158 per day.
Non-Covid deaths have been running at 201 per day which is higher than normal. Covid deaths have been 461 per day over the last 44 days. If Covid is not causing these deaths what is, pray tell, my dear SeekandFind Chinese propaganda troll?
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-05152020.pdf
from 4:30 reports
Date NYC Deaths 450
3-28 222 672
3-29 104 776
3-30 136 914
3-31 182 1096
4-1 278 1374
4-2 188 1562
4-3 305 1867
4-4 387 2254 244.94%
4-5 218 2472 137.97%
4-6 266 2738 168.35%
4-7 806 3544 510.13%
4-8 716 4260 453.16%
4-9 518 4778 327.85%
4-10 651 5429 412.03%
4-11 313 5742 198.10%
4-12 440 6182 278.48%
4-13 1167 7349 738.61%
4-14 556 7905 351.90%
4-15 2462 10367 1558.23%
4-16 1110 11477 702.53%
4-17 1235 12712 781.65%
4-18 528 13240 334.18%
4-19 443 13683 280.38%
4-20 744 14427 470.89%
4-21 565 14992 357.59%
4-22 419 15411 265.19%
4-23 437 15,848 276.58%
4-24 422 16,270 267.09%
4-25 403 16,673 255.06%
4-28 542 17,215 343.04%
4-29 374 17,589 236.71%
4-30 277 17,866 175.32%
5-1 365 18,231 231.01%
5-2 51 18,282 32.28%
5-3 424 18,706 268.35%
5-4 401 19,107 253.80%
5-5 190 19,297 120.25%
5-6 243 19,540 153.80%
5-7 162 19,702 102.53%
5-8 107 19,809
5-9 122 19,931 77.22%
5-11 125 20,056 79.11%
5-12 260 20,316 164.56%
RE: This is about the 20th time I have rebutted your ludicrous death count idiocy.
And this is about the 20th time to ask you to deal with the author and NOT me personally. I post to start a discussion. You are free to post your rebuttal, but address your attacks at the one who wrote the article, NOT ME.
RE: If Covid is not causing these deaths what is, pray tell, my dear SeekandFind Chinese propaganda troll?
OK, riddle me this, how does my posting this article TRANSLATE to my being a Chinese propaganda troll? How did you make such a correlation? If you can’t answer that, then I think you yourself have a feeble mind, not me.
OK, let me ask you this about the figures you posted.
There may be four types of recorded coronavirus deaths:
(1) deaths only caused by COVID-19 (roughly 3 percent),
(2) deaths in which COVID-19 ended the life of someone already struggling with health conditions,
(3) deaths from other causes but after a patient had tested positive for the virus, and
(4) deaths falsely marked “COVID-19” when there was not even a test.
Deaths of type 1 and 2 are rightly considered coronavirus deaths, while deaths of type 3 are much harder to distinguish from type 2, and deaths of type 4 are completely inflating the numbers.
You also acknowledge that non-covid deaths are higher than normal.
The question to ask is this — in the statistics you cite for NY, HOW MANY PERCENT ARE TYPE 3 and 4? Or is it your contention that their COUNTING is so accurate that everyone of their death counts are 100% Type 1 and 2?
NOTE: I ask you politely and never attacked you personally. My goal is always to get at the truth. I don’t get into motives because unlike what you’re doing to me, I don’t know you personally.
Just deal with my question and THE ISSUE.
Let me add to what I wrote above so that you and others can help answer the issue that concerns me and other FReepers.
You seem mathematically inclined so I’ll put it in simple math terms.
Let Y be the death toll that is NOT caused by the novel Coronavirus so far.
Let X be the number of deaths due to the novel Coronavirus so far.
Let Y + X = Z
where Z is the total number of deaths in the USA so far.
No honest person will say that Z is a number less than or even equal to the average past value of Y. X after all is NOT zero.
But that is not the issue here.
The question that has cropped up based on the many DOCUMENTED fraudulent cause of death coded ( of which I personally know two of), is this, based on the above equation:
HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN COUNTED IN THE X BUCKET, SHOULD REALLY HAVE BEEN IN THE Y BUCKET BASED ON THE 4 CATEGORY TYPES I ENUMERATED IN THE PREVIOUS POST ABOVE?
This is a relevant question given the following reports:
* Dr. Deborah Birx herself questions the CDC CoVid-19 death counts and suspects it might have been inflated by as much as 25%.
* Pennsylvania has had to revise her CoVid-19 death counts downward and move the cause of death to other causes
* Colorado just did the same as Pennsylvania.
* The Illinois Health Department specifically said that they count a death as a CoVid-19 death by default even if it was not clear what caused the death.
* There has not been an accurate estimate of those who died sheltering at home waiting to be treated either for possibly CoVid-19 or other diseases which could not be treated because hospitals have largely been converted to CoVid-19 centers.
* Here in NYC, there are increasing numbers coroners who are questioning the coding of the cause of death in the death certificates as CoVid-19 and many are even refusing to sign them.
I can give you the links to every one of the points I presented above.
Maybe you can answer that question. I will take “I don’t really know” as an answer because at this point in time, that would be my answer.
But if you say you know for sure, please give me your reasons as to why you are so sure.
Nothing personal... just want to get at the truth because it affects whether we can open or continue to be on lockdown.
The coronavirus anxiety and stress cost at least 7.5 times more in terms of years of life than the lockdowns could possibly save, according to Just Facts.