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The WHO made a thinly veiled dig at Sweden's loose Coronavirus lockdown, saying 'humans are not herds' and old people are not disposable
Business Insider ^ | 05/12/2020 | Hilary Brueck

Posted on 05/12/2020 7:09:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The world is nowhere close to becoming immune to the coronavirus, and leaders at the World Health Organization Monday expressed outrage at the idea that some people might have to die in pursuit of a far-fetched virus-fighting strategy called herd immunity.

"This idea that, 'well, maybe countries who had lax measures and haven't done anything will all of a sudden magically reach some herd immunity, and so what if we lose a few old people along the way?' This is a really dangerous, dangerous calculation," the WHO's Executive Director of Health Emergencies Mike Ryan said on a call with reporters.

Ryan didn't mention any specific countries by name, but it was hard not to think about the high death rate in Swedish nursing homes as he mentioned that "in some countries, over half of the cases have occurred in longterm care facilities," where people haven't been "properly shielded."

Sweden has remained an outlier with it's relaxed disease-fighting strategy, keeping bars, schools, and gyms open during the pandemic, while also encouraging people to stay home when they're sick, social distance, and wash their hands frequently to avoid spreading the virus.

One of the benefits that health leaders in Sweden have thought they might, perhaps, acquire in this way, is something called "herd immunity."

The term is one that epidemiologists have been using for years to describe how a population that is by and large vaccinated can help protect its most vulnerable individuals (often, babies and immunocompromised people), including those who may not safely be able to get injections themselves, by making sure that most people in a community are immune to a disease. When such herd immunity is present, it's hard for a virus to spread.

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Ryan reminded his audience on Monday that this kind of herding strategy, when its used to talk about naturally borne infections that we get from other people, rather than shots, has some sobering and sometimes fatal consequences which immunizations do not.

Put bluntly, getting people sick can kill.

"Humans are not herds," Ryan said. "I think we need to be really careful when we use terms in this way around natural infections in humans, because it can lead to a very brutal arithmetic which does not put people, and life, and suffering at the center of that equation."

1 posted on 05/12/2020 7:09:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Who said what?

2 posted on 05/12/2020 7:11:06 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: SeekAndFind
WOW! That is "Grade A" CCP talking points right there.

The WHO is nothing more than one of their propaganda arms.

3 posted on 05/12/2020 7:11:23 AM PDT by KC_Lion (We honestly need a separation of Media and State.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Old people are not disposable? Quick, tell the governor of New York!


4 posted on 05/12/2020 7:11:43 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SeekAndFind

“and so what if we lose a few old people along the way?’”

Well, gee, their people ought to have informed the New York governor about such an attitude, given his (recently reversed) policy about sending COVID patients to nursing homes.


5 posted on 05/12/2020 7:13:09 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: SeekAndFind

You mean the same Ryan who said :

“When asked whether it is more effective to quarantine in place at home or centrally to contain a virus, Ryan said the only way to contain the virus during a home quarantine would be for officials to start knocking on doors.”


6 posted on 05/12/2020 7:13:24 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberal employees at every election since 2008 because I enjoy seeing them cry)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m surprised he didn’t correct the terminology to masses and comrade a couple of times.


7 posted on 05/12/2020 7:13:28 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: Rurudyne

GMTA.


8 posted on 05/12/2020 7:13:37 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: Jim W N

They said they woke up in SOHO doorway with a policeman in my face, who said they could go home sleep it off if they could get up and walk away...


9 posted on 05/12/2020 7:14:53 AM PDT by shotgun
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...and old people are not disposable.

They are in China and Blue States.

10 posted on 05/12/2020 7:15:54 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
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WHO can FOAD.

We cannot lock down until a vaccine is available. We have to go out and get back to work. The mechanism there is a slow rate of infection until herd immunity is achieved.

This is not magical. This is the way disease works. You would think the WHO would know that.

We are not going to be able to save each and every person. Some people are going to die. But either we get back to work, or we all starve next year. We lose a few by the normal operation of this virus, or we lose many, many more from deprivation and hunger.


11 posted on 05/12/2020 7:16:12 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (It's Winnie-the-Flu / Put the blame where it belongs / On Winnie-the-Poo)
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To: SeekAndFind

Globalism vs national sovereignty.


12 posted on 05/12/2020 7:17:39 AM PDT by dhs12345
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I have asked several times if there is an example of "herd immunity," absent a vaccine, which resulted in the prevalence of a dangerous disease's becoming insignificant.
13 posted on 05/12/2020 7:17:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You can't buy happiness, but you can buy books! (Washington County, UT, Library))
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To: Jim W N

They should have just died before they got old, like they said they would.


14 posted on 05/12/2020 7:18:07 AM PDT by x
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To: Common Sense 101

China... and don’t forget baby girls.


15 posted on 05/12/2020 7:18:40 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Rurudyne

Exactly my thought.


16 posted on 05/12/2020 7:19:42 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ("Progressives" (elitist Communists) "Love you to death".)
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RE: You mean the same Ryan who said

Did he REALLY say that?


17 posted on 05/12/2020 7:20:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: Rurudyne

...Old people are not disposable?

Well, I’m >65yo with preconditions, and I am all too aware that my time on this Earth is limited.

But ALL biological constructs are disposed of and recycled, It is the way of things


18 posted on 05/12/2020 7:24:40 AM PDT by HangnJudge (The Democratic Party is a Pandering Plutocracy)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m so confused....

The left and the UN (and I bet WHO, too) have been pushing population control and depopulation to save the Earth for decades. Heard of Agenda 21?

Now, they’re deeply, deeply concerned about old people staying alive.

I’m so confused...


19 posted on 05/12/2020 7:26:08 AM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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Ryan reminded his audience on Monday that this kind of herding strategy, when its used to talk about naturally borne infections that we get from other people, rather than shots, has some sobering and sometimes fatal consequences which immunizations do not.

So, where is the shot?

What is this shot you are speaking of? Is there a vaccine available?

You are talking about going with an option that does not exist. When we go back out, the natural process is going to take place. People will get sick and some will die. We should make every effort to protect the vulnerable, but we can not protect everybody all the time.

While we are out working, we will be building herd immunity. This is the way disease works.

Waiting until the vaccine is available is not an option, because the vaccine may not be available soon enough to avoid dire consequences that will kill far more than this disease. Indeed, the vaccine may never be available.

At this point, the vaccine is an option that does not exist.

20 posted on 05/12/2020 7:26:23 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (It's Winnie-the-Flu / Put the blame where it belongs / On Winnie-the-Poo)
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