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What the Discussion Over the Ahmaud Arbery Shooting Should Actually Be Focused On
Townhall.com ^ | May 12, 2020 | Scott Morefield

Posted on 05/12/2020 4:21:17 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: bramps
Based on previous cases, it’s very likely that they will get a fair trial. George Zimmerman was acquited and Darren Wilson, the cop who shoot Michael Brown, was not even indicted.

Due to the fuss this case is getting, I'm going to guess that the average white Georgian jury member is going to vote "not guilty" if there's even a plausible argument to be made that McMichaels shot in self-defense against a criminal who was trying to seize his gun.

And then the race-baiters will get the incident they want, leading into November.

If I was the defense lawyer, I would try to stall the case past the election, in the hope that the "black lives" mob will lose interest once it no longer is useful to them.

41 posted on 05/12/2020 6:05:55 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Fishtalk
What I’d like to know is WHY did this guy shoot those two people?

Since he's dead we'll never know.

They don’t know whether the guy died by his own gun or a police gun?

I suspect they know but aren't saying.

42 posted on 05/12/2020 6:08:32 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Labyrinthos
If I am jogging down the street and two fat rednecks in a pickup truck chase me down and confront me with a shotgun. I am thinking, "If I run they will shoot me in the back and kill me; if I put my hands up and surrender, they will shoot me in the chest and kill me; but if I fight back, then I might survive the situation."

And that train of thought would demonstrate a very low IQ.

Somebody who already had decided he was going to kill you, would have blown you away before you had a chance to get close enough to grab for his gun.

43 posted on 05/12/2020 6:09:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: bort

I found the photos that you referenced. The guy in the October photos does not look like Arbery, but the photos are dark and grainy and perhaps it is him. Inconclusive at best. The homeowner should have called LEO. Since Arbery was known to local police, they could have easily tracked him down and given him an appearance ticket for trespass and perhaps criminal mischief, which are violations — not felonies or even misdemeanors — and certainly not worthy of a death sentence.


44 posted on 05/12/2020 6:10:27 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Fishtalk
As for this guy....why would someone try to wrest a shotgun from someone? Why wouldn’t he put up his arms or some such but no, he wanted the loaded shotgun.

First of all, they weren't police. If you see somebody in front of you with a shotgun you may not just want to put up your hands like they are legitimate authorities. You may not want to give them the legitimacy that they don't have and don't deserve.

Secondly, he may not have "wanted the shotgun." He just didn't want the other guy to be able to use it on him. The idea that the killer was afraid for his life misses the point that the killed man was that much more in fear of his life and had more reason to feel that way.

What the victim did wasn't wise, but people don't always react in wise ways when under stress. Plus, if you've been running for a while you're apt to have more hormonal energy than brain sense.

Before we draw comparisons between what happened in Georgia and what happened in Delaware take into account that this is some months after the Georgia incident happened. It wasn't this big a story when it actually happened as it is now, and the Georgia authorities probably didn't say more or move faster in the beginning than the Delaware authorities are now.

45 posted on 05/12/2020 6:10:38 AM PDT by x
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To: McGruff
Why do they always post the first photo not the second?

Because they want to nudge people into believing that this shooting was a tragedy. It's propaganda. That's why they do it.

It's signalling their position which they are trying to get you to agree with.

46 posted on 05/12/2020 6:10:38 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
I suspect they know but aren't saying

Hence my reference to missing words.

The public has a right to know this story. Something wrong here.

I'm done discussing.

47 posted on 05/12/2020 6:10:53 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: bort
"“cut him off at the pass” Same difference, thanks for making it clear. They pursued him and cut him off at the pass, just like in a cheesy old western movie, playing sheriff.
48 posted on 05/12/2020 6:11:11 AM PDT by OKSooner (Don't buy from China. Don't buy from Microsoft. Don't do Facebook. Tweet only enough to get banned.)
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To: Labyrinthos

Yea but he wasn’t jogging down the street he was running from a place he had just trespassed (Misdemeanor) on and by Georgia Law possibly committed a burglary (Felony) by entering the house. This wasn’t two fat rednecks but individuals in the neighborhood trying to stop a possible burglary suspect who wasn’t jogging, he was fleeing from a crime he committed.


49 posted on 05/12/2020 6:16:05 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: DoodleDawg

What’s thats got to do with it? Are we having some sort national discussion on violent black crime?


50 posted on 05/12/2020 6:16:20 AM PDT by Altura Ct. (uNACA)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Gee, maybe he didn't want to die and thought his only chance to live was to disarm the goober who was chasing him with a gun.

The only people that think charging a shotgun is a good idea are fools who have no idea that this is a death sentence.

I guess there are a lot of ignorant people out there who thinks attacking a man with a shotgun is survivable.

His choices were to stop running toward the truck. Interpose the truck between himself and the man with the shotgun, and then run back around the houses where that fat bastard wouldn't be able to keep up with him, or attack the man holding the shotgun.

He made the worst possible choice.

51 posted on 05/12/2020 6:16:38 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: x

I will always and forever think grabbing a shotgun, without knowing it is loaded but the thing was pointed so odds are...I will always think that a stupid thing to do.

It does seem like this guy was...well I dunno, I kinda think he was snooping around that house under construction for no good reason but I ain’t the cops but I got a right to my thoughts.

But he didn’t have a gun and what the hell those yahoos with a loaded shotgun were doing out and about defies reason. Were they planning on shooting someone?

But he grabs a loaded gun already pointed at him and it goes off and now he’s dead. I’d like to say I would have put up my hands or begged for time and explanation but like you say, adrenaline sometimes is in control.

I am not convinced this guy was oh so innocent but he didn’t deserve to be shot and those who shot him should be punished.

I’m done discussing.


52 posted on 05/12/2020 6:18:17 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: Fishtalk

But he grabs a loaded gun already pointed at him and it goes off and now he’s dead. I’d like to say I would have put up my hands or begged for time and explanation but like you say, adrenaline sometimes is in control.


I suspect too many movies were watched.


53 posted on 05/12/2020 6:20:49 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Had the dead guy ever been arrested? If so,I didn’t know that.Is that photo on the right real or is it just photoshopped?

It's real. He was arrested in 2013 (I think) for bringing a .380 to a high school basketball game. He was arrested again later for shoplifting. I've read from other freepers that the reason he was so frantic is a third strike would send him to prison for parole violation or some such.

I've also read that his brother is a piece of sh*t criminal with a long record.

54 posted on 05/12/2020 6:21:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: OKSooner
and then Daddy shot him twice with his .357, then afterwards rolled his dead body over to check him for weapons.

You are mistaken. He was killed by the third shot from the shotgun.

55 posted on 05/12/2020 6:23:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Kaslin

The article still comes up short. There needs to be discussion of black on black murder - being way, way higher than white on black. One must include black on white murder too. No, the continual, racist slant of the media and social justice warriors needs to be addressed. But then, media/democrats need a racism rift to maintain parts of their voter base.


56 posted on 05/12/2020 6:25:07 AM PDT by Godzilla ( I just love the smell of COVFEFE in the morning . . . .)
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To: OKSooner
was involved in a rash of burglaries. Unfortunately we'll never get the answer to the latter now that he's dead,

I have read from other freepers that the October video of him in that house shows some of his tattoos and so he has been positively identified as the guy going into that house in October of 2019.

57 posted on 05/12/2020 6:26:28 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Sacajaweau

According to the comments in Townhall.com he wasn’t jogging and he wore regular pants, not jogging clothes.


58 posted on 05/12/2020 6:30:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Dusty Road; Labyrinthos
This wasn’t two fat rednecks but individuals in the neighborhood trying to stop a possible burglary suspect who wasn’t jogging, he was fleeing from a crime he committed.

And why is it acceptable for some to use the disparaging word "redneck" for the white people involved, who would likely be absolutely outraged by the use of the "n-word" or "ghetto thug" in reference to the black person involved?

59 posted on 05/12/2020 6:31:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Labyrinthos
If I am jogging down the street and two fat rednecks in a pickup truck chase me down and confront me with a shotgun. I am thinking, "If I run they will shoot me in the back and kill me; if I put my hands up and surrender, they will shoot me in the chest and kill me; but if I fight back, then I might survive the situation."

And of course you think you need to drop the hammer to have your hands free for the attack, because what good would a hammer do against a shotgun when you can just use your hands?

Also, the idea of running back to the guy in the car videoing everything simply didn't occur to him. He probably figured that guy would be okay with watching someone murder a black guy by shooting him in the back in broad daylight and in front of witnesses with the cops even then speeding towards the scene.

Those racist rednecks would have no problems at all with a black guy who had been shot in the back. No siree, the cops would have just covered it up or something.

60 posted on 05/12/2020 6:34:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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