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This Sounds Wrong but AP is reporting "More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study"
Associated Press ^ | April 21 | MARILYNN MARCHIONE

Posted on 04/21/2020 10:57:21 AM PDT by TECTopcat

More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study By MARILYNN MARCHIONE

This Monday, April 6, 2020 file photo shows an arrangement of hydroxychloroquine pills in Las Vegas. According to a study released on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, the malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in an analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers report. ( Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.

Researchers did not track side effects, but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a hydroxychloroquine study after heart rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.

Many doctors have been leery of the drug.

At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, “I think we’re all rather underwhelmed” at what’s been seen among the few patients there who’ve tried it, said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection control and prevention.

Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use, “but now I think that people have realized we don’t know if it works or not” and needs more study, said Safdar, who had no role in the VA analysis.

The NIH and others have more rigorous tests underway.

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Marilynn Marchione can be followed on Twitter: @MMarchioneAP

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The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

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This sounds rigged to me given all the other reports but and note that they report that "The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. "Claims more deaths from its use. but its being reported by every anti Trump and fear mongering outlet out there. What other holes do you see? I want to email Neil Cavuto who just reported it on Fox Business News and he skipped the part about it being not rigorous
1 posted on 04/21/2020 10:57:21 AM PDT by TECTopcat
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To: TECTopcat

Pff. They had this headline written the night PDJT called praised Hydroxychloroquine.


2 posted on 04/21/2020 10:59:06 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: TECTopcat

I wouldn’t believe AP if they told me water is wet.


3 posted on 04/21/2020 10:59:17 AM PDT by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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To: TECTopcat

Some places are holding it back for only the most critical patients.
It works best when given early, if you wait until they are on a ventilator, it’s too late.


4 posted on 04/21/2020 10:59:49 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: TECTopcat

A lot of treatment with this was/is at the very end for “compassionate care”.

The key is when it is being given and what regimen is being used.


5 posted on 04/21/2020 11:00:14 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (There's a stairway to heaven, but there's also a highway to hell.)
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To: TECTopcat

AP is All Propaganda and part of the Delusional Lying Left, so the presumption is they are Lying. And don’t forget, they are part of the Democrat Reelection Committee and .

The Presumption they are lying can be rebutted by Clear and Convincing evidence they accidentally told the truth


6 posted on 04/21/2020 11:00:32 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: TECTopcat

the media doesn’t ever talk about Bill Gates or ChiComs’ financial stake in a different treatment

Considering they all got wee weed up about a $35-450 investment by Trump from a mutual fund, they are lying by omission.

Lies by omission are lies

Stalinists lie. Always


7 posted on 04/21/2020 11:00:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The fish wrap media promoted Obama's Benghazi lies in 2012.)
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To: TECTopcat

I don’t believe a word of this article - fake news!


8 posted on 04/21/2020 11:01:18 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: TECTopcat

BS.

If it didn’t work then Italy, Spain, Japan, India and the rest of the nations In the world wouldn’t have made it their first go to drug.

And you can’t tell me they’re using it because Trump touted it.

Fake news.

Now it’s NOT a cure. It doesn’t work with all people and, like cold medicine, it only alleviates symptoms until the body’s natural defenses can kick the virus out. It’s a TREATMENT. But it’s about the only treatment drug there is.


9 posted on 04/21/2020 11:01:33 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: TECTopcat

No Z pack or zinc too?


10 posted on 04/21/2020 11:01:51 AM PDT by dforest
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To: RatRipper

AP stands for Associated Propagandist?


11 posted on 04/21/2020 11:02:03 AM PDT by Leep (We can go to the grocery store but we can't go to work?)
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To: TECTopcat

Don’t trust any source that doesn’t give you the raw data.

You just don’t know what they were studying, who they studied it on, when the drug was administered, to whom, how far in disease progression were they etc?

I’d imagine a VA hospital might have a large number of very sick people with comorbidities - but it’s just a guess. And if they waited until people were on ventilators to administer the drugs, then it was probably too late. I’m not saying the drug absolutely works, or works in all cases. But there is just too much data on the positive side to ignore.

AFAIK the study in Brazil involved very sick, infirm people.

It seems like some in the media are rooting for the drug to fail... for whatever reasons. Maybe because if the drug works, Trump will be hailed as a hero for promoting it. Meanwhile I think it is Novartis that is running a large Phase 3 clinical trial. That should provide more definitive data.


12 posted on 04/21/2020 11:02:09 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Sorry, but if it comes from the NYT, AP, the Guardian, or Reuters, I believe it as much as I believe an Obama statement.


13 posted on 04/21/2020 11:02:28 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: TECTopcat

There’s no way an off-patent medication like hydroxychloroquine could ever be considered “safe and effective”.

Since there are no massive profits to be made from it, hydroxychloroquine is not safe for the Pharmaceutical industry’s profit margin, and it is certainly not an effective way to come up with loads of cash for lobbyists and political contributions, not to mention Mainstream media advertising.


14 posted on 04/21/2020 11:02:33 AM PDT by Junk Silver ("It's a little hard to herd people onto trains when they're shooting at you." SirLurkedalot)
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To: TECTopcat

Have they forgotten about the Dem congress woman who praised Trump for the drugs when she recovered?


15 posted on 04/21/2020 11:02:44 AM PDT by hattend
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To: a fool in paradise

Bill Gates can’t even stop a virus from infecting Windows.


16 posted on 04/21/2020 11:02:57 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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A Dr on the frontline said he sees minimal impact if not given in early stages. Right now people arent going to the hospital for fear of catching so the people that do come in are in late stages.

It makes sense. You need it in the beginning to stop the RNA from replicating.

After that you need Genentech’s drug to stop the cytokine storm..and that drug is hard to get.


17 posted on 04/21/2020 11:03:04 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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this “study”...was posted on some web site...not peer reviwed by any doctors...sounds like political hit....


18 posted on 04/21/2020 11:03:08 AM PDT by basalt (a.m.)
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To: TECTopcat

From what I have read, it depends on how soon in the progress of the illness it is taken. If it isn’t started at the earliest point, it isn’t as effective.

Cuomo in NYC denied it until someone was in such bad shape that they need to be hospitalized. Way too late and the “side effects then experienced” could possibly be attributed to the virus, not the drug.

There is a big political fight going on over money and control of the future, with us citizens unimportant and forgotten.


19 posted on 04/21/2020 11:03:11 AM PDT by jacquej ("You cannot have a conservative government with a liberal culture." (Mark Steyn))
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To: dforest
No Z pack or zinc too?

Zinc is what stops replication. Hydroxychloroquine is the tool that allows zinc into the infected cells.

Many people, especially elderly, are deficient in zinc.

If zinc sulfate is not given with Hydroxychloroquine then their studies are meaningless.

20 posted on 04/21/2020 11:03:43 AM PDT by politicket (Don't remove a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker. It's the only thing holding the car together!)
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