or ya'll flatten personal curve
Posted on 04/12/2020 2:46:06 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
For those with a biological age over 80, intensive care is not required, according to the document. The same applies to people over 70 who have significant failure in more than one organ system. Persons between 60 and 70 who have failed in more than two organ systems should also be given priority.
For example, organ failure may be about people with heart, lung, and kidney diseases. (Respiration, circulation, renal function, as stated in the document).
The document also states that patients who are already in intensive care should be able to have the intensive care interrupted if they belong to any of the above categories..
"Rubber Section" The document should be seen as a decision support for doctors who are responsible for initiating or interrupting intensive care.
It also appears that this applies to "biological age", ie not the actual (chronological) age of the person. If you are seriously ill, the biological age can be assessed to be higher or lower than the actual age.
(Excerpt) Read more at translate.google.com ...
or ya'll flatten personal curve
Is this why Swedes are dying in such huge numbers compared to their neighbors?
The Swedish Government probably wants to kill off as many white native Swedes as possible.
Does “not required” mean that if something is available and not in need, don’t bother to hook them up, or does it mean that they are in a general lowest tier, and while they may be hooked up, if somebody else comes along in a higher tier, they will be bumped?
Unless one has a tremendous amount of reserve/excess capacity in a system, triage is a real thing and while nobody likes triaging, it is best that some people have thought things through ahead of time as this will ultimately use limited resources in a more effective way.
One can also increase capacity, but when the SHTF and capacity is exceeded, triage is a real thing until demand is reduced or a way is found to increase capacity.
Socialized medicine.
You get/don’t get what you pay for.
they are also very proud that 50% of their peeps live alone
its like a doomsday cult;
Why so many young Swedes live alone
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190821-why-so-many-young-swedes-live-alone
This disgusting triage denying care to elderly, is already silently done here. Medicare drags heels on payments I have heard which promotes such denial of care.
It’s pretty much inevitable with socialized medicine.
And the demonization of Sweden continues. Can’t have any non-draconian-ahutdown success stories, or the little Stalins everywhere won’t look so good.
Their country; their choice. So far, looking pretty good. Higher death rate now; lower later. No overwhelmed healthcare sector. And they didn’t kill their economy. Did you see what the St. Louis Fed just forcast? Up to 30% unemployed, 50% hit to GDP. I’ll take Sweden’s path anyday.
Triage happens in every medical system, socialized or not, and particularly in times of disaster or emergency. It also happens in American hospitals every day in the case of a bad night in their city. It sucks. But it’s the only way we have to make sure limited resources go as far as they can to do the most good.
If there is a 79 year old grandmother who is a smoker and has existing heart arrhythmia and a 28 year old pregnant expecting mother with no pre-existing conditions both needing a ventilator and there’s only one available... sorry, but grandma is going to be put down the list and the 28 year old is going to be hooked up, because grandma is more likely to die even if given treatment. That would mean that the ventilator was wasted and two people died when one could possibly have been saved. Three, if you count the developing baby.
I remember how the left howled and moaned when Sarah Palin said "death panels."
Sweden’s fatality rate is almost 9%.
That’s one way of looking at it.
Speed up that demographic transition to the ‘newcomer’ even faster thanks to the virus and death panels.
The traditional medical ethic of the golden age of medicine turned their backs on such situational ethic. Whomever came first got optimal, even extraordinary care IF THEY WANTED IT.
In that ethical world doctors were always healers and never killers by neglect or intentionally.
Your seeming acceptance of such utilitarian triage helps destroy a previous culture built by men and women of the Hippocratic Oath.
The traditional medical ethic of the golden age of medicine turned their backs on such situational ethic. Whomever came first got optimal, even extraordinary care IF THEY WANTED IT.
In that ethical world doctors were always healers and never killers by neglect or intentionally.
Your seeming acceptance of such utilitarian triage helps destroy a previous culture built by men and women of the Hippocratic Oath.
Ijust answered post 10, a heartless post.
First come first serve began to die with the first mass casualty events in the Napoleonic Wars and a stake was driven through its heart in the mud and blood of WW1. What you describe has never been taught in medical schools or even first aid response training since WW2.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
Where could one find that history? I can see the loosening of that ethic in wartime, but do not think true at med schools
So early.
Even in wartime, it is uncivilized.
See the citations on the Wikipedia page I linked for books and the rest of the bibliography.
There is evidence of it being practiced as far back as 1700 BCE in Egypt. The modern version was created in France as a result of the Napoleonic Wars.
Your idea of first come, first served is correct in times and situations where there is no scarcity - enough meds for all patients, enough surgeons to treat all the patients, enough equipment for all patients. However, in emergency situations like wars, disasters, mass casualty events, triage is used. It is the only fair or effective way to apportion limited medical resources. Humanity tried first-come first-serve and other allocation systems in such scenarios and triage, as hard and nasty as it is the way proven to save the most number of people when resources are limited.
If you look at the Wikipedia link, you will see a picture of a triage area at the Pentagon on 9/11. People were triaged there, and yes, the worst off/least likely to survive even with aid were placed to one side until more resources could be freed up.
That’s true, but socialized medicine always leads to rationing of care for elderly people if not outright euthanization. It’s why Ezekiel “Dr. Death” Emanuel wanted Obamacare. A technocrat analyzing people based on cold, hard numbers will always determine that elderly people are “useless.” The conclusion of the central planners will always be to usher them into death as quickly as possible.
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