Questioning the Clampdown Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

WSJ ^ | March 17, 2020 | Jenkins

[FreedomNotSafety]

Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

[FreedomNotSafety]

The paywall if it is up can be defeated via a google or AMP link. But my paraphrase summary of the rest:

The demand is mostly driven by the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. One bright spot, less cold and flu victims due to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending much more than we’ve have ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths.

Eighty-three percent of our economy will be reppresed to take pressure off of the 17% of the economy represented by health care. This will go on for months, not weeks, to throttle the rate at which a critical mass (aka herd immunity) of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

"Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus? Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone? Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?"

[PghBaldy]

When or if it gets bad in various US places outside NYC, doctors will do triage like in Italy - no ICU or vents for people over 50 or 60.

[ConservativeMind]

“Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus? Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone? Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?”

We have CVreepers who say “Damn the economy and no, I won’t ever allow myself to get that. Command everyone to stay indoors for another month or two to make this round die out. When the next round comes around, command everyone to stay indoors again for another month or two to kill it off then.”

These people are not very smart.

[Okeydoker]

Well what do expect from the money grubbing open borders anti american Wall Street Journal. This dirtbag author personifies money over lives.

[riri]

So, if you are expected to get it every year, I guess no sense planning for retirement.

[cuban leaf]

The key message I’ve been getting is that the reason for the lockdown is to spread out the serious cases. i.e we’re all gonna get it. It’s just important that the health care system is not overwhelmed by us all getting it at once.

And it can not be ignored that virtually everyone who gets it will show no, mild, or medium symptoms. Especially with teh mitigating stuff available now.

[ConservativeMind]

The people who need to quarantine are elderly people with serious existing health issues.

The rest don’t show up in the death rates worth a dang. Even among those with serious COVID cases in their 40s only make up 0.2% of deaths from COVID.

And the vast majority of people with COVID never become “serious cases.”

[wastoute]

Being “one of the elderly” I’m still shooting for being in the “40% that never get it.”

[Bob434]

Here’s the thing with this asinine lockdown- everyone that hibernates effectively, will be susceptible to hte4 virus when the hibernation re4qusts are lifted, there will still be people out in the public who are sick, so all these folks will be coming into contact with those who sheltered inplace- who have no immunity, and the virus will begin to spread throughout the communities once again- doubling every 2-3 days- until there is a rash of new cases and officials freak out again, and shut everything down once more

This will keep happening UNTIL a vaccine is created a year and a half from now- our only hope is that drugs are found and used en mass to help those that get sick in the meantime

At first- when the orders are lifted- there will be a few new cases- those few sick folks will interact with their family members who will get sick, they will interact with their coworkers, with people they ride the subways with, walk the streets with etc etc etc- it’s just gonna be a circle- and we will just keep delaying the inevitable by requiring lockdowns, and shutting down businesses-

IF however, they get this Blood Plasma thing going- we could create immunity by getting everyone’ immune systems to create antibodies- then people could get back to work and not fear getting the virus because it won’t be anywhere near as bad if they do (For those who have underlying conditions i mean)

Watch for the scumbag liberals in gov to try to block the progression of the Blood Plasma therapy now too-

[brownsfan]

“The key message I’ve been getting is that the reason for the lockdown is to spread out the serious cases. i.e we’re all gonna get it. It’s just important that the health care system is not overwhelmed by us all getting it at once.
And it can not be ignored that virtually everyone who gets it will show no, mild, or medium symptoms. Especially with teh mitigating stuff available now.”

That’s my understanding. This virus is not a “human” virus so we don’t have any built up immunity. It’s extremely contagious, so if you’re exposed, you most likely will get it.

The survival rate is somewhere around 98.5%. So, getting it is not a death sentence, and there are only two sure ways to beat the virus, vaccine or herd immunity.

There are a lot of panicked Americans who don’t understand that even under strict lockdown, it’s going to spread, and sooner or later, they’ll be exposed.

This is about not overwhelming the healthcare providers. As a semi informed non medical observer, I think we should be doing what Sweden is doing.

[Repeal The 17th]

The numerical theory behind “flattening the curve” assumes
that the same number of people will still eventually be exposed,
but those exposures will be spread out over a longer period of time.

(You have 100 cows, you can’t feed them all at the same time...
so you feed them in small batches, but they all still get fed.)

But, after-all, it is just a numerical theory.

[Bitman]

I figure I will get it. I am hoping to put it off long enough so that an effective treatment can be found and the run on ventilators has been reduced.

[Bob434]

[[The key message I’ve been getting is that the reason for the lockdown is to spread out the serious cases.]]

That is true- but one has to wonder how we as a nation were ever able to cope with the overwhelming cases of regular flue deaths and hospitalizations i n the past-

Another reason for the lockdowns too i think is because if we had done nothing- we likely would have seen a very large number of folks seriously sick (Our population is pretty elderly-) - more so i think than regular flues-

[freedomjusticeruleoflaw]

This has been my point for a long time. Trying to slow this down is ok to a point, but it will spread to every corner eventually. The only real question-
Will we have a Great Depression to contend with after this is over?

[seowulf]

The people who need to be innoculated are the old.

The top priority should be a vaccine for the old and sick, just like the pneumonia vaccine.

Even if the vaccine only 50% effective, push it through the approval process and keep working on a better vaccine.

Once there is a herd immunity, prepare for the next virus.

[billyboy15]

“Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?”

Of course it would and the fact no one in the Administration is mentioning this is appalling.

[BradyLS]

I agree!

It used to be that kids were expected to boost their immune systems through outdoor play and coming into contact with all kinds of things: animals, people, dirt... They would sometimes become ill but would generally recover and be the stronger for it. And through herd immunity, the community would be stronger for it, too.

With Covid-19, which is relativeky weak as really nasty viruses and diseases go, it’s like we’re throwing away all of our advanced knowledge and capacity for productuon.

I hope there is room for moving the goal posts back on a return to work. I’m already hearing whispers that we’ll be shut in through May, too. At some point, soon I think, we need to contain fears, brave the dangers, and put the productive capacity of the willing back to work.

[abigkahuna]

the lock down, or whatever one wants to call it will be in place until there is an acceptable treatment. It might be one, two or more of the options that are currently being looked at.

[headstamp 2]

Mass dole out of the Hydro chloroquine regimen as a prophylactic.

[blam]

"This will keep happening UNTIL a vaccine is created a year and a half from now- our only hope is that drugs are found and used en mass to help those that get sick in the meantime."

I'm 76, I plan to isolate until drugs or a vaccine is effective against it.
At a minimum, I'll be one of the later to catch it and have access to less crowded hospitals.