Posted on 04/04/2020 12:37:23 AM PDT by zeestephen
First 12 weeks of each year - 2018 (55,680 pneumonia deaths) - 2019 (46,875 pneumonia deaths) - 2020 (42,506 pneumonia deaths). Must click through this link to get to the data tables. Scroll almost to the bottom of the linked page until you reach "Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Surveillance." Below the chart, click on "View Chart Data."
(Excerpt) Read more at cdc.gov ...
In the middle of a deadly pandemic, our ICU units are filled with people who have acute respiratory infections and need ventilators to breath, but the number of pneumonia deaths [Column G] declines almost EVERY week?
Hmmm.
besides covig will probably pay more..
the definition of insanity...
Check back in two weeks.
I know several older and younger people who had the various flu strains this year. The flus weren’t as severe as what we’ve seen in previous years. Many have been vaccinated the past couple of years, and those flu strains have mutated towards weakness.
Bingo... Apparently everybody who has died on a ventilator since March is a victim of Covid... Or are they? Figures lie and liars figure... It happens.
its clear that pneumonia is not killing these people the virus is, I guess....makes for easy accounting....
besides covig will probably pay more..
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Have you ever seen an end-of-life hospitalization bill? These 5 or 6 figure bills will be paid 100% if the magic letters & numbers “COVID-19” appear among the hospital diagnosis codes and death certificates. THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING CHASED.
The weather in the eastern part of the US, using DC as its central point, has been relatively mild and warm. We had less than a total 1 inch of snow in Arlington, Va. Lessens the chances of pneumonia.
Lots of rain but no hard freezes at all (that will be a problem since hard freezes usually kill off a lot of viruses in the ground. Since there were almost none in our area, we could be hit with a lot of stuff in the Fall).
In 2020, Weeks 1-12 for P&I (Pneumonia and Influenza) are all sitting just above epidemic levels in the 7% range and at 8.15% on week 12
So 2018 was way worse for P&I thus far. My question is, how many Covid-19 cases in 2020, prior to having Covid-19 tests, (especially weeks 1-10) were written in stats as P cases? The P deaths are the P deaths regardless of what generated them.
Again this supports my long standing theory that we have had Covid-19 with us for much longer (at least 6 to 8 weeks in the younger populations) than we are showing from testing. There is also the LARGE number, due to the strict standards for the non-politicians/wealthy who are NOT being tested and did not meet the testing threshold and were not hospitalized but may still have the disease either a-symptomatically or low to mild symptomatically.
I still believe there is a fair but unknown amount of immunity in the general population. And now the rest are getting hit. If we can utilize serology tests to ascertain antibody presence we can get people back to work much quicker. The Covid-19 tests tell us who HAS it, not who HAD it. What we are doing is backwards and archaic if you look at it with an analogical sense: like we are treating the symptoms and not the underlying cause. The symptom represented by testing and the underlying cause represented by testing for antibody not just disease!
IF, for sake of argument, the number of deaths from Covid-19 double week over week for the next 4 weeks from 7k - 14k - 28k - 56k the number of deaths will have reached the threshold of a bad flu season such as in early 2018. This is with all the stay at home orders in place and social distancing. What would it be otherwise? who know? These are just the raw facts.
I find your interest in Pinnochio curious.
Pneumonia — Covid = Pneumonia
Pneumonia + Covid = Covid. (And government reimbursement for hospitals)
Not sure what you mean, but it is important to know where your enemy has been as well as where the enemy is heading. Serology tests would tell where the enemy has been and the damage can be properly assessed to make future determinations, strategy, and preparations. It is the only way to see this invisible enemy.
Serology testing. How is that concept contentious enough to throw words like “Pinnochio around?
Sorry. I shouldn’t have even replied.
NP. A serology test was approved by the FDA two days ago.
With the huge blood shortage, I feel testing for Covid-19 AND Serology test would be in order for any donors. If someone has antibodies that blood could be more useful. It is a good way to gather antibody plasma. Immediate relative is on the front lines in ER on the east coast.
You can’t give convalescent sera to fairly healthy people repeatedly. Immune Complex deposition kills the kidneys. I am trying to answer questions at the Q&A thread so as not to derail other threads.
All the folks in the ICU more than likely have "guardians". Are they being properly notified since they're unable to be in contact with each other. Something is very wrong here.
My original intent for this post was to compare “Total Deaths” for 2018-2020.
I assumed that if “just” COVID-19 was actually killing hundreds of people each day, then Total Deaths would have to surge.
The exact opposite has happened.
In 2020 Week 11, Total Deaths declined to one of the lowest numbers in seven years.
In 2020 Week 12, Total Deaths utterly collapsed, to 40,000, which is the lowest number by 6,000 deaths in the last seven years.
That is why P&I rose to 8.2% of Total Deaths. P&I is average or below average for Week 12, but Total Deaths completely crashed.
No doubt there has been a considerable drop in accidental deaths, but a 6,000 person drop is not possible.
I am thinking that Total Weekly Deaths are not being reported in a timely manner.
My theory is that COVID-19 deaths are just being subtracted from pneumonia, heart failure, etc., but I still can’t prove that at this time.
This is similar to the situation in a production facility where there is suddenly extra scrutiny on a particular problem. Engineers and managers who are not normally on the production floor are circulating. Workers are extra sharp and vigilant as a result. Sometimes the workers find and report problems that, ordinarily would be “not my job.” Plus, senior people are wandering around sometimes spotting things that are unrelated to their current thrust, but resolving them anyway. Thus, the occurrence of ALL failures drops dramatically.
In the case of pneumonia, it is easily treated. So, if it is being identified earlier because of increased vigilance for something similar, that is most likely the reason.
Key Points
Nationally, the percent of laboratory specimens testing positive for influenza at clinical laboratories continued to decrease and is now low.
ILI activity decreased nationally but remains elevated.
Recent changes in healthcare seeking behavior, including increasing use of telemedicine and recommendations to limit emergency department (ED) visits to severe illness, as well as increasing levels of social distancing, are affecting the number of persons with ILI and their reasons for seeking care in outpatient and ED settings.
Laboratory confirmed influenza-associated hospitalization rates for the U.S. population overall are higher than most recent seasons and rates for children 0-4 years and adults 18-49 years are the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Hospitalization rates for school-aged children (5-17 years) are higher than any recent regular season but remain lower than rates experienced by this age group during the pandemic.
The percent of deaths associated with pneumonia and influenza is above the epidemic threshold. The increase is due to an increase in pneumonia deaths rather than influenza deaths and may be associated with COVID-19.
162 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher than recorded at the same time in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic.
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu.
Antiviral medications are an important adjunct to flu vaccine in the control of influenza. Almost all (>99%) of the influenza viruses tested this season are susceptible to the four FDA-approved influenza antiviral medications recommended for use in the U.S. this season.
Because everyone’s washing their hands due to the current corona crisis?????
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