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Coronavirus: The California Herd
National Review ^ | March 31, 2020 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/01/2020 10:10:36 AM PDT by truthkeeper

...While California adopted shelter-in-place policies on March 19, other states did the same about the same time. And visiting a California Costco on any Saturday morning is a reminder of current mob frenzies. After a near-record dry and warm January and February, the state has been unseasonably cold and wet for most of March during the epidemic’s spike. True, California encompasses an enormous area, but it also is home to the country’s largest population and thus still ranks about eleventh in population density among the states. Some districts in San Francisco and Los Angeles are as densely populated as East Coast cities.

One less-mentioned hypothesis is that California, as a front-line state, may have rather rapidly developed a greater level of herd immunity than other states, given that hints, anecdotes, and some official indications from both China and Italy that, again, the virus may well have been spreading abroad far earlier than the first recorded case in the U.S. —and likely from the coasts inward.

So given the state’s unprecedented direct air access to China, and given its large expatriate and tourist Chinese communities, especially in its huge denser metropolitan corridors in Los Angeles and the Bay Area, it could be that what thousands of Californians experienced as an unusually “early” and “bad” flu season might have also reflected an early coronavirus epidemic, suggesting that many more Californians per capita than in other states may have acquired immunity to the virus...

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; coronavirus
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Interesting analysis by Victor Davis Hanson.
1 posted on 04/01/2020 10:10:36 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper

“hints, anecdotes, and indications”

Would make a great title for a book


2 posted on 04/01/2020 10:13:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: truthkeeper

One plausible explanation for Cali’s more depressed curve.

And it happened RIGHT UNDER CDC BUREAUCRAT NOSES!
They had nary a clue.


3 posted on 04/01/2020 10:13:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: truthkeeper

Thanks for posting!


4 posted on 04/01/2020 10:15:35 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: truthkeeper

I’m in Placer County CA. I’ve been comparing notes with friends family and coworkers who has what they thought was flu, but what was significantly different than any flu they had in the past. For me it was in mid February. I nearly died of SARS 22 years ago, and what I had was much closer to that than anything I’ve had before or since. My primary,
But by no means only, symptom was an extremely profound fatigue. Me and a lot of other people are convinced that what we had was corona.


5 posted on 04/01/2020 10:16:27 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ( Beginning my 20th year on FR! 2,500+ replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
On a personal note, I came down with "something" around Thanksgiving that was so bad and prolonged I almost called off the holiday at my house. It seriously kicked my butt through Christmas.

Many similar anecdotal reports by Californians all over the net.

6 posted on 04/01/2020 10:17:15 AM PDT by truthkeeper (All Trump Has Going for Him is the Votes)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Could also be a matter of blood type distribution in California.

https://www.babymed.com/pregnancy-test/ethnic-distribution-of-blood-types


7 posted on 04/01/2020 10:21:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: truthkeeper

Same here. Nasty bug with a persistent cough and lung-choking phlegm. Caught day after Thanksgiving. Took six weeks to fully kick it. I’m thinking now I probably had it. And I’m in PA, not CA.


8 posted on 04/01/2020 10:24:10 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: truthkeeper

This is the only explanation for California’s low numbers. They had what they thought was bad flu in December before everyone became hysterical. There is no way that many people from Asia did not bring it within weeks of it breaking out in China. Also, less mass transit helped.


9 posted on 04/01/2020 10:28:48 AM PDT by Savage Rider
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To: Buckeye McFrog

My sister is in upper Michigan and had the exact thing you did through the holidays and for many weeks afterward.


10 posted on 04/01/2020 10:29:50 AM PDT by truthkeeper (All Trump Has Going for Him is the Votes)
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To: truthkeeper

11 posted on 04/01/2020 10:29:54 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: truthkeeper

I feel terrible thinking that I might have been unknowingly spreading this. Made a trip out to St. Louis towards the end of it.


12 posted on 04/01/2020 10:31:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: j.havenfarm

Hmm. Your symptom of extreme fatigue reminds me of something I experienced one summer almost 30 years ago.

I worked in a map library and one day, in the middle of a hot-weather week in July, I woke up feeling lousy. But spefically: fatigued, weak (I could hardly close my hands to grip things, like a pen or pencil), and the chills. As a young man recently out of the Army, I figured that if I could stand, walk, and talk, I could work.

I wore a heavy sweater to work. People would ask, “I know the AC is blowing hard today, but, a sweater?” I told folks I was freezing outside in the sun, too. No one told me I was sick (I figured I had something). Probably thought more likely I was crazy. Wasn’t nauseous or sneezing. No fever (everyone’s hot in the summer) but maybe a mild headache.

Anyhow, it was over after three days. Felt like I always did when feeling fine and thought no more of it. But now I wonder what I had!


13 posted on 04/01/2020 10:32:20 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Savage Rider

No limited testing. Los Angeles city/county as of yesterday had tested on 19,000 so low numbers..


14 posted on 04/01/2020 10:32:37 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!at)
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To: j.havenfarm

My daughter experienced the same thing. She thought it was the flu and since she teaches she was tested and found to be negative for the flu.
We just discussed this yesterday and wondered if she had Corona. She lives in Ojai in Ventura County.


15 posted on 04/01/2020 10:41:41 AM PDT by surrey
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To: truthkeeper; kabar; Grampa Dave; cgbg
Well, maybe VDH reads FR? People have been posting for weeks now about how they experienced flu like symptoms and illnesses all winter long. I myself had some weird lung congestion for weeks back in Feb, yet I never felt sick, feverish or tired a single day.

On a logical note, SFO, SJC & LAX combined had 1,000s of arrivals/departures from/to Asia/China each & every day until the 1/31 travel ban. Wuhan/Hubei may be thousands of miles away, but in actuality, they are less than 24 hrs by plane.

So, literally, the first infection/outbreak in Wuhan could have just as easily be transmitted to SF/LA/Santa Clara (Silicon valley) the very next day back in Sep/Oct/Nov.

Which raises the question, why didn't it spread as fast here? And the answer is that Calif car culture saved the state. While much criticized, our dispersed suburbs + automobile isolation prevented what occurred in a now apparent pattern in Wuhan, Milan, Madrid and of course NYC.

16 posted on 04/01/2020 10:42:32 AM PDT by semantic
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Totally agree with you about our car cultures. We aren’t crammed into subway cars and are much less dependent on mass public transportation than other affected states.


17 posted on 04/01/2020 10:45:30 AM PDT by truthkeeper (All Trump Has Going for Him is the Votes)
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To: truthkeeper

For later read


18 posted on 04/01/2020 10:52:38 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: surrey

I am in Ventura county right now out of a 900,000 population we have 104 cases, yesterday went to Costco for Senior hours they open at 8:00-9:00 if you are over 60 yr. old I arrived at 7:15 am ONG the line went all the way around the building 2x I had to get help finding the end of the line , felt like I was at a Trump rally!!! This CRAP and panic has to end when you feel as though you are in Venezuela when you go to a grocery store this HAS TO STOP!! It took me an hour and a half to get into the store after getting in NO, toilet paper, NO napkins, NO hand wipes, NO coffee pods, NO water this has become ridiculous for the greatest nation on earth, OR at least we wren the greatest nation on earth!! The Libs are ecstatic America on her knees they are gleeful!!!


19 posted on 04/01/2020 10:57:38 AM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

America on the rebound to total dependence on Big Government in less than a month. And without a shot being fired.


20 posted on 04/01/2020 11:03:56 AM PDT by truthkeeper (All Trump Has Going for Him is the Votes)
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