The Bible says Mary would conceive and bear a son. A surrogate bears the child who implants in the womb. So assuming got you nowhere, again.
Yes, I claim the DNA that built the physical body of Jesus was from God, but I have not and will not claim God The Father Almighty has DNA from God or that God would have DNA. The Word of God says flatly that God IS SPIRIT and must be worshipped in Spirit and truth. Are you claiming spirits have DNA? Where would you get that one??? You have to assume it in order to support your desired outcome, so you failed again, citing as axiomatic that which you are trying to prove for your moronic cult.
You and I do not know where GOD brought the essentails to make Jesus a Jewish human with the Life of God in His SPIRIT>. Your cult's problem is Where did the soul and spirit of Jesus originate. The Word of God tells you His Spirit was always with God AND WAS GOD IN THE VERY BEGINNING. You just will not accept that Jesus is not a created being.
Are you aware that the geneology of Jesus as a Jew is listed through Joseph, not just Mary? You can assert lots of things, but you have yet to show where the Bible explains where the chromosomes of Jesus came from to form the embryo. With access to all of time and space, it is just as reasonable that the embryonic Jesus came from Bathsheba or Ruth or Rahab. You are getting nowhere, even as you number a list of assertions without evidence.
From your cult's list (3&4) you have not shown where the chromosomes came from just that Jesus had Israeli blood so the prophecies were fulfilled. You have made assumptions to fit the thing which your are seeking to prove.
DNA is an information code. Show me proof that God the Father Almighty has DNA. You canno, so this is yet another effort to assert as proof that which you are trying to prove, namely that God was once a man who had DNA. You're so far batting 0.
In typical cultic mind meanderings, you have projected upon me the very errors your cult has taught to you. You cannot have God being doubled minded, yet that is precisely what your sexual predator founder displayed through the time he 'directed' the duped Mormons He is ushering into Hell, tou included. Not one of the items on your little list is accurate because you and I do not know from where God brought the DNA to form the Body of Jesus. Your cult founder assumed God copulated with Mary. You don't like that fact exposed, so you have an elaborate mental exercise aimed at proving God used an ovum from Mary. There is absolutely no proof of that in the Bible.
Such assumptions that your cult is founded upon might have made sense to folks not actually familiar with what can be done in embryology, but that assumption is not based in proof from The Word of God. Continue to reject truth and your heart will become so hardened to the truth that you will be a lost soul and spirit.
This is easy for mormons.
They believe "heavenly father" came down and had physical sex with Mary to impregnate her.
The mormon god has sex you know...Joseph Smith ...
"Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor?" Teachings of the Prophet JS Section 6 1843-1844:373:1
Brigham Young ...
"[God] created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 11:122
The more you know about mormon beliefs, the weirder it gets...
teppe, do you believe the mormonic heavenly father had a physical, sexual relationship with Mary?
teppe, do you believe the mormonic heavenly father has celestial sex with heavenly mother to produce spirit children, including the mormonic jesus??
MHGinTN
My complements to you, as you have tried to bring reasoning/scriptures into a religious difference, although I could do without your juvenile insults. Whereas Elsie/Mark17/aMPU guys usually just bring trash talk/hypocrisy .... and aMPU pretty much only bring vile insults (I think that’s all he has).
After our discussion, I realized that the two most predominant women in the Bible are Eve and Mary. In an interesting parallel, God and a Messenger from God (Gabriel) told both women they would conceive; which I find reminiscent of St.Paul’s statement “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead” (1Cor 15:21).
I find your view a s-t-r-e-t-c-h that with Eve, God’s use of ‘conceive’ meant DNA, but that Gabriel’s use of the same word meant surrogate. Clearly your trying to fit biblical evidence into the ‘Homoousis’ element of your +4th century Creeds that contain the ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’.
So ... your not going to convince me on that one. But let’s look at your interpretation of John 4:24 (God is Spirit).
Question. Our communication with God is obviously spiritual not physical. When you worship God, does your Spirit leave your Body? Obviously not. If you have both Spirit and Body and communicate from your spirit to God’s spirit .... then Why can’t God also have a body?
In essence, isn’t this scripture (John 4:24) more about communication with God than a statement of God’s being?
Additional biblical evidence:
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness (Gen 1:26)
using the same words, parallel to: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth (Gen 5:3)
If God created Adam in his image, and Adam Created Seth in his image .... then it appears God had a Body. (Obviously, Jesus Christ at this time only had a spirit/future body).
One additional thought .... based on Satan’s angels (evil sprits) desperation to get into a body .... any body, even that of a pig (Mat 8:31). There must be something very limiting about being only spirit.....
....there must be something that is better to having both a spirit and a physical body.
When Christ was resurrected he had a glorified physical body where somehow he could be in the physical world and yet not be subjected to physical limitations like gravity/death/communication/mobility.
I suspect that is why he took his resurrected physical body with him to heaven ... it was better.
Next Question: Did God exist before the ‘beginning’?
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)
Obviously, Christ was the ‘Word’
Did God exist before the Beginning? ...or was the “Beginning” spoken of only the beginning of his creations?
Biblical Evidence:
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”. (Gen 1:1)
It appears that the “Beginning” was only the beginning of God’s creation phase.
So ... if God existed before the ‘Beginning’ Did the ‘Word’ exist before the ‘Beginning’?
....or was the ‘Word’ the first of God’s creations in the ‘Beginning’?