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How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear
Spectator : US ^ | March 26, 2020 9:42 AM | John Lee

Posted on 03/28/2020 8:44:39 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

There is room for different interpretations of the data

In announcing the most far-reaching restrictions on personal freedom in the history of Britain nation, Prime Minister Boris Johnson resolutely followed the scientific advice that he had been given. The advisers to the UK government seem calm and collected, with a solid consensus among them. In the face of a new viral threat, with numbers of cases surging daily, I’m not sure that any prime minister would have acted very differently.

But I’d like to raise some perspectives that have hardly been aired in the past weeks, and which point to an interpretation of the figures rather different from that which the government is acting on. I’m a recently-retired Professor of Pathology and National Health Service consultant pathologist, and have spent most of my adult life in healthcare and science — fields which, all too often, are characterized by doubt rather than certainty. There is room for different interpretations of the current data. If some of these other interpretations are correct, or at least nearer to the truth, then conclusions about the actions required will change correspondingly.

The simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease is to look at the death rates. Are more people dying than we would expect to die anyway in a given week or month? Statistically, we would expect about 51,000 to die in Britain this month. At the time of writing, 422 deaths are linked to COVID-19 so 0.8 percent of that expected total. On a global basis, we’d expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year. The world’s 18,944 coronavirus deaths represent 0.14 percent of that total. These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu).

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cases; chinavirusmortality; corona; deaths; statistics
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To: JPJones

BS


61 posted on 03/28/2020 10:06:43 AM PDT by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane')
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To: JPJones

That’s racist....cronos will come for your head..lol


62 posted on 03/28/2020 10:06:58 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: PGalt

Will China Profit from the Outbreak?...

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-wuhan-coronavirus-will-china-profit-from-the-outbreak-289014...
And Yuan drops in value, so yes, they do profit...


63 posted on 03/28/2020 10:07:53 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Be still, and know that I am God...Psalm 46:10)
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To: CodeToad

Yes, sir.

Some things never change.

As far as the media is concerned? Like Rush says when things don’t make sense: “Follow the Money”.

All the Media hates Trump, because he got elected on the cheap and destroy their opposition.


64 posted on 03/28/2020 10:11:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: All

I don’t see dead people...I see shapeshifters, CRIMINALS, SCUMBAGS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAxEQYqo7no


65 posted on 03/28/2020 10:11:59 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: JPJones

A personal anecdote that may mean nothing:

Back in January, we picked up a nasty little bug from a family member of my wife’s, who had been traveling. I’m no saying it was this, just a thought.

We of course, got it.

It hit my wife and son quite hard. 2+ weeks for full recovery.

It barely touched my daughter and I. Less than a week of minor symptoms.

My daughter and I are type O.
My wife and son are type A.


66 posted on 03/28/2020 10:15:24 AM PDT by ferret_airlift
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To: dfwgator; All
"In our country, it’s like herding cats."

Great point!

Peter Pan mentality too.

67 posted on 03/28/2020 10:15:43 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: kickstart

“BS”

Which the ibuprofen or the Type A...?


68 posted on 03/28/2020 10:16:10 AM PDT by JPJones (More Tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: PGalt

We farm and I love to garden and cook.

I still shoot well, can reload and am remarrying next month to a much younger woman. She shoots well too. smile.

(my wife of 47 years died of a heart attack in 2018. I was holding her when she died.)


69 posted on 03/28/2020 10:16:14 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

It’s super deadly when you deny patients of the very successful known treatment as they are doing in the United States.


70 posted on 03/28/2020 10:17:57 AM PDT by GulfMan
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To: ferret_airlift

Well, it MAY mean something. It certainly fits.


71 posted on 03/28/2020 10:23:50 AM PDT by JPJones (More Tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: billyboy15
said, "people are returning to sanity"

It means there is a glut of toilet paper in people's homes.
The markets will likely end up having far to much toilet paper for the next year.

Hysteria hasn't gone away. I was banned from texting anything at all on themtube for what think was a reasonable argument

72 posted on 03/28/2020 10:27:22 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

My comment was tongue in cheek although there really was toilet paper and for the reason you said. The fools have no more room to store it. You’re right about the coming glut as well so expect to see some huge sales on TP in the near future.

Costco put out a statement a few day ago that they would not make refunds on returned toilet paper.


73 posted on 03/28/2020 10:46:13 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Texas Fossil

Talk to a real doctor whose in a real hospital yesterday as I was fixing his solar system , and he said the SARS one had a death rate of about 10% and this is way more like 1% AT the tops - but it should be taken seriously

He said all elective surgeries at his hospital we’re being postponed


74 posted on 03/28/2020 11:37:25 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv mint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: gawatchman
Why is it still not clear? Based on projections a month ago our hospitals would be overwhelmed by now .

OH, you foolish man.

Just wait two weeks, then you'll see how bad it is.

AND the oceans will flood all of Florida too.

75 posted on 03/28/2020 11:39:45 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: chiller
understand Germany has conducted a massive amount of tests, with their death rate at 1/2 of 1%?

Germany's death rate is rising. It is 0.7% now: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

76 posted on 03/28/2020 11:46:56 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: GulfMan

Yes, and the female governor of Illinois is warning pharmacists and doctors to not prescribe it to anyone with corona virus.

Criminal act that is inexcusable and should be prosecuted as murder.

Pure political noise.


77 posted on 03/28/2020 12:13:25 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Truthoverpower

It is all in how you define the case number. If 1/2 of the cases go undetected because if they are asymptomatic and the deaths are assigned as due to corona when they had many existing prior serious medical problems the numbers make more sense.


78 posted on 03/28/2020 12:16:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: GulfMan

OK. China indicated that, but the real population of cases is understated and the cause of deal is often hard to verify with existence of multiple illnesses.

Initially, from Chinese stats for Wuhan it looked like 30% fatality (dead/dead+cured numbers) Outside Wuhan it was closer to 15%.

Then the numbers started to tone out. And just kept shrinking.


79 posted on 03/28/2020 2:47:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: billyboy15
said, "Costco put out a statement a few day ago that they would not make refunds on returned toilet paper."

I have to tell my wife that. She will laugh
thanks

80 posted on 03/28/2020 6:07:40 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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