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The Marine Corps plans to get rid of its tanks and shrink its force to take on China
businessinsider. ^ | 3/24/2020 | Jeff Schogol, Task & Purpose 16 hours ago

Posted on 03/24/2020 10:46:40 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: ocrp1982
There are no more Pattons. No more Chesty Pullers. Not a Single One.

Normally, when war is declared, the Pattons and Pullers who have been hiding at the O5 level slowly appear.

The problem is, with SJWs infesting selection boards, and given the fact that warriors at O2 and O3 aren't very good at concealment, a lot of future war leaders are being weeded out early.

61 posted on 03/25/2020 3:13:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Spktyr

Should have put this comment here (posted it over there):

Father of a good friend growing up was a West Point Armor Branch O-6 (bird colonel) with 2-3 Vietnam tours. This in the mid-70s. He *hated* the Sheridan. There were still some of them around at Fort Knox in that era, more in Germany in the Fulda Gap.


62 posted on 03/25/2020 3:27:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ocrp1982

Looking at the operational problems that the USMC already faces, the biggest recent mistake the Corps made was to kill the high-speed, long-range replacement for the AAVP. They needed that vehicle to deliver troops to the beach from over the horizon. They needed those armored vehicles far more than the handful of M1A1’s that support the BLT.


63 posted on 03/25/2020 3:30:16 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
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To: Mark17

“ If any got through, they would face millions of armed and angry American civilians.”
Then the governor of California would rule citizens can’t carry arms for use against our loving invaders who so graciously stock all our retail facilities.


64 posted on 03/25/2020 3:36:16 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Everybody be Kung Flu fighting!)
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To: Spktyr

The only time the Marines actually saw massed Japanese armor in WW2 was on Peleliu. They saw North Korean T-34’s. May have seen some PT-76’s in Vietnam, not sure. Definitely saw some T54/55’s in Kuwait (but they had an Army armored brigade in support there).

For most of that time a recoilless rifle was probably the heaviest AT weapon they had. The ONTOS was a strictly Marine Corps weapon system during Vietnam. I guess Javelins would be your modern equivalent?


65 posted on 03/25/2020 3:39:27 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
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To: Spktyr

... also the Chinese have tied their own hangman’s noose & placed it around their neck with the Three Gorges Dam. That is a very vulnerable strategic target.


66 posted on 03/25/2020 3:44:12 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
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To: LukeL

“...always saw the USMC as the infantry division of the Navy.”

Ask any Marine whether or not they are part of the Department of Navy. And they will tell you “yes we’re the men’s department.”

So I guess if you asked any Naval personnel if the Marines were an infantry division of the Navy you would probably get an answer along the lines of “no, they’re just passengers”

Service rivalry and all that.... service rivalry is still allowed, isn’t it?


67 posted on 03/25/2020 3:54:37 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Tallguy

I guarantee that there’s already a pre-prepared minimum clearance terrain following program for their nuke carrying fighters to one-way a B61-equivalent all the way up the river.

They also seem interested in missiles that make a manned one-way trip unnecessary: https://asiatimes.com/2018/01/two-missiles-can-blow-up-chinas-three-gorges-dam-taiwan-strategist-claims/

But if need be, some brave guys or girls will be ensuring that China, as a modern nation, will not survive to enjoy the spoils of their invasion.


68 posted on 03/25/2020 3:55:11 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: OrioleFan

Please send him my regards and thanks for his service and sacrifice.


69 posted on 03/25/2020 3:56:25 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: FreedomPoster

From what I can tell, basically nobody that served in or with the Sheridan in any serious or significant capacity liked it. When all of the crew of your tank except the driver would rather ride on top of the turret so as to be better able to bail out, your tank sucks.


70 posted on 03/25/2020 3:58:18 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tallguy

Javs are getting increasingly irrelevant in the face of modern armor capabilities. Yet another area where we need to update, I suppose.

My point to the other poster is that the “Old Corps” approach of plying them with bullets then closing to bayonet had some problems as time went on. I mean, if you’re trying to bayonet a T-72, you’re doing it wrong.


71 posted on 03/25/2020 4:00:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19
maybe we could shrink his head instead.


72 posted on 03/25/2020 4:00:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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Maybe it’s part of the asymmetrical Warfare planning and prosecution. The only thing I can think of this rationale.


73 posted on 03/25/2020 4:01:21 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: 9422WMR
Then the governor of California would rule citizens can’t carry arms for use against our loving invaders who so graciously stock all our retail facilities.

I could believe that ass hat 🧢 would do that. F him.

74 posted on 03/25/2020 4:04:17 AM PDT by Mark17 (Father of US Air Force Officer, 2/3 of the way through USAF pilot training. One more aircraft to fly)
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To: ocrp1982

It’s spelled “Corps” pronounced “core.”


75 posted on 03/25/2020 4:05:09 AM PDT by Skybird (TRUMP / PENCE 2020-PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT-LEADERSHIP IN ACTION !!!)
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To: Mark17

Not necessarily.

In addition to the two superpowers, France and China are known to have tested neutron or enhanced radiation bombs. France conducted an early test of the technology in 1967[26] and tested an “actual” neutron bomb in 1980.[27] China conducted a successful test of neutron bomb principles in 1984 and a successful test of a neutron bomb in 1988. However, neither of those countries chose to deploy neutron bombs. Chinese nuclear scientists stated before the 1988 test that China had no need for neutron bombs, but it was developed to serve as a “technology reserve”, in case the need arose in the future.[28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb


76 posted on 03/25/2020 4:05:28 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Spktyr

Also without enough machine guns, M-1s or supplies. Doesn’t mean he could have used them. He would have been royally pissed at reducing the Corps in such a drastic manner.


77 posted on 03/25/2020 4:10:02 AM PDT by NTHockey (R yRules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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We are planning on a land war with China?

Good luck with that.

I guess we don’t need tanks to rescue embassies or ships.

No one is getting into land action with Marines unless it’s on one of those little islands they built. But then the Chinese would nuke them.

So, I guess you don’t need tanks then either.


78 posted on 03/25/2020 4:10:09 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: FlipWilson
Because who needs tanks if your goal is to be cannon fodder.

and nation building. What is next, only use non lethal weapons.

Convert all of the 105s to fire bean bags and marshmallows?

79 posted on 03/25/2020 4:12:56 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: ocrp1982
He is an Obama promoted holdover.

can his liberal arse sucking pos NOW

80 posted on 03/25/2020 4:14:24 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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